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Preseason Position Battles
Posted on 5/1/17 at 10:05 pm
Posted on 5/1/17 at 10:05 pm
QB, RB, FB, TE, K, & P are pretty much set. LS is undetermined, but who really gives a rat's arse. Who do you think wins these position battles?
#4 & #5 WR - Coleman, Tommylee Lewis, Lampman, Williams-Lambert, Corey Fuller, Rashad Lawrence, Travin Dural, Ahmad Fulwood
#8 OL - Landon Turner, Jack Allen, John Fullington, Cameron Lee, Clint Van Horn, Cameron Tom, Andrew Lauderdale, Collin Buchanan
#4 DT(assuming Onyemata is counted as a DE) - Ashaad Mabry, Justin Zimmer, Devaroe Lawrence, Charles Walker
#6 DE(if we keep this many) - Tapp, Gwachum, Al-Quadin Muhammad, Mitchell Loewen, DJ Pettway, Royce LaFrance
#5 & #6 LB - Stupar, Anthony, Te'o, Travis Feeney, Adam Bighill, Sae Tautu
#5 & #6 CB(if we decide to keep 6) - Crawley, Swann, DeVante Harris, Taveze Calhoun, Anthony Gaitor, Jimmy Pruitt, Forrest Hightower, Arthur Maulet
#5 Safety - Erik Harris, Banjo, Keo, Robenson Therezie
My guess...
#4/#5 WR - Coleman & Travin Dural. I like Lampman's chances as well. I think Kamara & Ginn make Tommylee expendable.
#8 OL - Landon Turner. Jack Allen as well if we keep 9(I think we stash him on the PS & sign him to the roster if Unger goes down. Kelemete would be our emergency backup Center during the game that Unger goes down in).
#4 DT - Ashaad Mabry
#6 DE - Tapp. I'm rooting for Al-Quadin Muhammad, though.
#5/#6 LB - Stupar & Te'o. Tough choice between Te'o & Anthony. Bighill to the PS is likely imo.
#5/#6 CB - Swann & Crawley. Fortunately all these guys are PS eligible, so #7 & #8 will most likely to stashed.
#5 Safety - Erik Harris
We should have a VERY talented Practice Squad compared to the last few years. Like a lot better. Don't be surprised if we get poached.
If the cuts happen that way...these would be my 10 PS guesses...
QB Garrett Grayson, FB John Robinson-Woodgett, WR Jake Lampman, OC Jack Allen, DT Charles Walker, DE Al-Quadin Muhammad, LB Adam Bighill, LB Sae Tautu, CB DeVante Harris, CB Arthur Maulet
#4 & #5 WR - Coleman, Tommylee Lewis, Lampman, Williams-Lambert, Corey Fuller, Rashad Lawrence, Travin Dural, Ahmad Fulwood
#8 OL - Landon Turner, Jack Allen, John Fullington, Cameron Lee, Clint Van Horn, Cameron Tom, Andrew Lauderdale, Collin Buchanan
#4 DT(assuming Onyemata is counted as a DE) - Ashaad Mabry, Justin Zimmer, Devaroe Lawrence, Charles Walker
#6 DE(if we keep this many) - Tapp, Gwachum, Al-Quadin Muhammad, Mitchell Loewen, DJ Pettway, Royce LaFrance
#5 & #6 LB - Stupar, Anthony, Te'o, Travis Feeney, Adam Bighill, Sae Tautu
#5 & #6 CB(if we decide to keep 6) - Crawley, Swann, DeVante Harris, Taveze Calhoun, Anthony Gaitor, Jimmy Pruitt, Forrest Hightower, Arthur Maulet
#5 Safety - Erik Harris, Banjo, Keo, Robenson Therezie
My guess...
#4/#5 WR - Coleman & Travin Dural. I like Lampman's chances as well. I think Kamara & Ginn make Tommylee expendable.
#8 OL - Landon Turner. Jack Allen as well if we keep 9(I think we stash him on the PS & sign him to the roster if Unger goes down. Kelemete would be our emergency backup Center during the game that Unger goes down in).
#4 DT - Ashaad Mabry
#6 DE - Tapp. I'm rooting for Al-Quadin Muhammad, though.
#5/#6 LB - Stupar & Te'o. Tough choice between Te'o & Anthony. Bighill to the PS is likely imo.
#5/#6 CB - Swann & Crawley. Fortunately all these guys are PS eligible, so #7 & #8 will most likely to stashed.
#5 Safety - Erik Harris
We should have a VERY talented Practice Squad compared to the last few years. Like a lot better. Don't be surprised if we get poached.
If the cuts happen that way...these would be my 10 PS guesses...
QB Garrett Grayson, FB John Robinson-Woodgett, WR Jake Lampman, OC Jack Allen, DT Charles Walker, DE Al-Quadin Muhammad, LB Adam Bighill, LB Sae Tautu, CB DeVante Harris, CB Arthur Maulet
This post was edited on 5/1/17 at 10:50 pm
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Posted on 5/1/17 at 10:37 pm to GMoney2600
Good stuff. Just a couple of notes.
We've kept as many as 10 OL before, and this year may seriously keep 9. I imagine that will be one of the last cut downs whether we keep 8 or 9.
It's possible we keep 6 WRs, though looking at the depth there vs. elsewhere I doubt it.
We keep at least 6 LBs every year, but iirc we very often carry 7 (because of special teams and needing bigger "speed" guys on the field to take on and beat blocks). I think there's a VERY good chance we go 7 because of the depth there.
I don't think we keep 6 CBs this year. Even though he was forced into action with some starts, Crawley is still very green. Swann also is no lock after several concussion and now a leg injury last year. PJ's health is still in question unless I missed something (though if healthy no doubt he makes it).
Safety is more likely to have 6 guys. Again bigger speed guys on STs to tackle, and several of the guys there are known for STs, unlike the corners.
And I hate to say this cause I'll wring Payton's neck, but there is an off chance we keep 5 HBs. Just don't Payton. Let the dream live.
Also, without having seen these guys play and having to guess, that's a damn good PS list and pretty close to my guess.
We've kept as many as 10 OL before, and this year may seriously keep 9. I imagine that will be one of the last cut downs whether we keep 8 or 9.
It's possible we keep 6 WRs, though looking at the depth there vs. elsewhere I doubt it.
We keep at least 6 LBs every year, but iirc we very often carry 7 (because of special teams and needing bigger "speed" guys on the field to take on and beat blocks). I think there's a VERY good chance we go 7 because of the depth there.
I don't think we keep 6 CBs this year. Even though he was forced into action with some starts, Crawley is still very green. Swann also is no lock after several concussion and now a leg injury last year. PJ's health is still in question unless I missed something (though if healthy no doubt he makes it).
Safety is more likely to have 6 guys. Again bigger speed guys on STs to tackle, and several of the guys there are known for STs, unlike the corners.
And I hate to say this cause I'll wring Payton's neck, but there is an off chance we keep 5 HBs. Just don't Payton. Let the dream live.
Also, without having seen these guys play and having to guess, that's a damn good PS list and pretty close to my guess.
This post was edited on 5/1/17 at 10:39 pm
Posted on 5/1/17 at 10:42 pm to bonethug0108
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We keep at least 6 LBs every year, but iirc we very often carry 7 (because of special teams and needing bigger "speed" guys on the field to take on and beat blocks). I think there's a VERY good chance we go 7 because of the depth there.
Yea, it would be kind of hard to cut Te'o or Anthony. Pretty sure some dead money comes with cutting 1 of them.
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Safety is more likely to have 6 guys. Again bigger speed guys on STs to tackle, and several of the guys there are known for STs, unlike the corners.
Considering the contract that we gave to Banjo...you could be right.
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And I hate to say this cause I'll wring Payton's neck, but there is an off chance we keep 5 HBs. Just don't Payton. Let the dream live.
That would piss me off. Cadet & Murphy are both expendable imo. If CSP does keep 5, we both know it's going to be Cadet. CSP has a legit mancrush on him.
I think the additions of Kamara & Ginn pretty much sealed the fate of Marcus Murphy & Tommylee Lewis.
This post was edited on 5/1/17 at 10:50 pm
Posted on 5/1/17 at 10:46 pm to GMoney2600
I looked up snap counts and found Anthony was actually the third highest LB in snap counts on STs.
I wasn't sure he could play STs, but after looking at that it's clear he can and did. So I find it hard to see him going (just when I was switching to him potentially being cut because I didn't think he could play STs).
And yeah that Banjo contract says we value him on STs. At the least I know think he makes it over Harris if we only keep 5, but I really see us keeping 6, especially with Keo playing a lot of STs snaps too last year.
And it made me sick just thinking about a slim possibility Cadet hangs around, and Murphyvs shown zero improvement, though I considered him better than Cadet last year for the fact that he only saw 1 offensive snap and Cadet saw way too many; I'd rather keep Murphy and not use him than keep Cadet and use him.
I wasn't sure he could play STs, but after looking at that it's clear he can and did. So I find it hard to see him going (just when I was switching to him potentially being cut because I didn't think he could play STs).
And yeah that Banjo contract says we value him on STs. At the least I know think he makes it over Harris if we only keep 5, but I really see us keeping 6, especially with Keo playing a lot of STs snaps too last year.
And it made me sick just thinking about a slim possibility Cadet hangs around, and Murphyvs shown zero improvement, though I considered him better than Cadet last year for the fact that he only saw 1 offensive snap and Cadet saw way too many; I'd rather keep Murphy and not use him than keep Cadet and use him.
This post was edited on 5/1/17 at 10:50 pm
Posted on 5/1/17 at 10:50 pm to GMoney2600
We aren't cutting Anthony.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 10:52 pm to Fun Bunch
The more I look at it...I think you're right.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 10:55 pm to Fun Bunch
At first I was very against the idea too. And now that I saw he plays STs I'm very against the idea. I think we keep 7, but if it is 6 I believe Te'o is the odd man out with Stupar also being too important to STs.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 10:57 pm to bonethug0108
Meant to touch DEs too. I think Tapp is going to be last man out as we only keep 4/5 DEs (depending on how you count Onyemata). I just don't think we have the space for it and while he was better than Kruger, he's also limited in skill.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 11:00 pm to bonethug0108
Agreed. It's also an unfortunate situation for Gwachum. I highly doubt he makes it with Okafor, Kikaha, & Hendrickson around. Keeping 4 pass rushers isn't going to happen.
Is Gwachum PS eligible? I think he is.
Is Gwachum PS eligible? I think he is.
This post was edited on 5/1/17 at 11:01 pm
Posted on 5/1/17 at 11:10 pm to GMoney2600
When I looked up snap counts I don't even think Gwacham recorded one defensive snap. This was with Kruger, Tapp, and Edebali.
He did not live up to the hype. I think the biggest issue was he was trying to play DE at 230. That's VERY undersized and you have to be a freak athlete to do it well.
Kikaha is at least 244, so while still undersized he can still hold the edge to a degree (plus he's ripped as frick; like freaking more ripped than Hercules Rock ripped).
Edit:
Yeah Gwacham played in 1 game with 7 STs snaps and 0 defensive snaps last year. If he couldn't make it against last year's field he's never going to make it.
He did not live up to the hype. I think the biggest issue was he was trying to play DE at 230. That's VERY undersized and you have to be a freak athlete to do it well.
Kikaha is at least 244, so while still undersized he can still hold the edge to a degree (plus he's ripped as frick; like freaking more ripped than Hercules Rock ripped).
Edit:
Yeah Gwacham played in 1 game with 7 STs snaps and 0 defensive snaps last year. If he couldn't make it against last year's field he's never going to make it.
This post was edited on 5/1/17 at 11:13 pm
Posted on 5/1/17 at 11:39 pm to bonethug0108
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I don't think we keep 6 CBs this year. Even though he was forced into action with some starts, Crawley is still very green. Swann also is no lock after several concussion and now a leg injury last year. PJ's health is still in question unless I missed something (though if healthy no doubt he makes it).
I hope we don't cut Crawley. I really like his ceiling & think he can be a good player for us in a couple of years. I'd hate for another team to poach him from our Practice Squad. You know Atlanta might give him a look after what he did against Julio Jones. Swann might get poached as well if we stash him.
It's a good thing(as far as the talent level on our team) if we're worrying about teams poaching off our Practice Squad. We haven't had this problem in the past.
This post was edited on 5/1/17 at 11:45 pm
Posted on 5/1/17 at 11:47 pm to GMoney2600
Atlanta actually played better once Trufant went out. No knock on Trufant, but if they are the one team even slightly impressed by him I still don't think they take him.
Send him to the PS and if he gets poached (doubtful because as well as he did at times, he was also very very bad more often than not which is why Webb started more games), I don't see a spot for him of everyone comes back healthy.
Despite having the second most snaps on STs of secondary players, O think Swann is the better STs player and would retake that role.
The only other option is if he outplays Moore and takes his spot.
I just don't see 6 staying, and I think he may be the only one PS eligible (we'd be willing to cut).
But I'd have to take another look at the roster and see if maybe another spot can't be squeezed out.
Send him to the PS and if he gets poached (doubtful because as well as he did at times, he was also very very bad more often than not which is why Webb started more games), I don't see a spot for him of everyone comes back healthy.
Despite having the second most snaps on STs of secondary players, O think Swann is the better STs player and would retake that role.
The only other option is if he outplays Moore and takes his spot.
I just don't see 6 staying, and I think he may be the only one PS eligible (we'd be willing to cut).
But I'd have to take another look at the roster and see if maybe another spot can't be squeezed out.
This post was edited on 5/1/17 at 11:48 pm
Posted on 5/1/17 at 11:51 pm to bonethug0108
Last year's snap counts.
This could help people when looking at who may stay at the bottom of the roster. You can sort by percent for offense, defense, and special teams.
This is how I also figured out we played about 250 snaps (12.5 per game) with a tackle eligible. So RamMan definitely will have a role either starting or in Strief's old role before poetically replacing him next year.
This could help people when looking at who may stay at the bottom of the roster. You can sort by percent for offense, defense, and special teams.
This is how I also figured out we played about 250 snaps (12.5 per game) with a tackle eligible. So RamMan definitely will have a role either starting or in Strief's old role before poetically replacing him next year.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 5:53 am to GMoney2600
Is this the last year Grayson can be on the practice squad?
Posted on 5/2/17 at 7:34 am to mindbreaker
Not exactly sure. I would assume so.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 9:16 am to GMoney2600
Per Nola.com...
The New Orleans Saints made two moves to trim the roster, according to Monday's NFL Transactions report.
The Saints waived defensive end D.J. Pettway with a non-football injury designation, while defensive back Jimmy Pruitt was waived with a failed physical designation.
Pettway and Pruitt were injured before the start of the 2016 regular season, and spent the year on injured reserve.
The Saints needed to clear roster space after signing 12 undrafted free agents in the days following the NFL Draft.
The Saints could make additional roster moves in the coming days.
The New Orleans Saints made two moves to trim the roster, according to Monday's NFL Transactions report.
The Saints waived defensive end D.J. Pettway with a non-football injury designation, while defensive back Jimmy Pruitt was waived with a failed physical designation.
Pettway and Pruitt were injured before the start of the 2016 regular season, and spent the year on injured reserve.
The Saints needed to clear roster space after signing 12 undrafted free agents in the days following the NFL Draft.
The Saints could make additional roster moves in the coming days.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 9:33 am to GMoney2600
We had 9 spots post draft (forgot some places (overthecap) you look still list Byrd as on the roster), signed 12, and cut 2. So apparently we are still one over then.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 9:38 am to GMoney2600
#3/4 RBI? I assume we Kamara makes it.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 9:44 am to crewdepoo
RB wasn't one of the positions that I listed as a position battle. Kamara & Lasco are basically locks.
This post was edited on 5/2/17 at 9:45 am
Posted on 5/2/17 at 9:47 am to bonethug0108
Before we cut Pettway & Pruitt...I counted 95 total(assuming DT Charles Walker has signed). Should be at 93 total right now.
I updated the thread that I made yesterday Updated Roster
I updated the thread that I made yesterday Updated Roster
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