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Posted on 11/18/13 at 6:37 pm to samaham
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It makes no mathematical sense to use a timeout with 2:01 seconds. No matter how you try to spin it you are only saving 1 second. I never have understood the logic of calling a timeout seconds before the 2 min warning.
how can you say it only saved 1 second? if he had let the clock run down to 2 minutes, are you saying the 49ers next play would have lasted only 1 second?
Posted on 11/18/13 at 6:37 pm to samaham
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It makes no mathematical sense to use a timeout with 2:01 seconds. No matter how you try to spin it you are only saving 1 second. I never have understood the logic of calling a timeout seconds before the 2 min warning.
It's just like any other point in the game when you are trying to save time. If there was only 1 minute left, would you wait a couple seconds before calling timeout? Hell no, you wouldn't. A second is a second, and a play is a play. So that's why it makes mathematical sense.
In addition to making perfect sense as far as the clock is concerned, it has the additional effect of impacting the opponent's play-calling. No "spin" necessary.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 6:39 pm to TheSexecutioner
Boy you're infested with the dumbass
Posted on 11/18/13 at 6:39 pm to Pectus
The 2:01 one was genius. Prepped us for the game winner.
The one in the first half wasn't all that bad.
This:
He didn't want the 49ers to run up and run a play at the 20 before they got a chance to look at it again. Smart IMO.
The one in the first half wasn't all that bad.
This:
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The first half one was to get the refs more time to think about a play that couldn't be challenged but could be looked at again by the refs.
He didn't want the 49ers to run up and run a play at the 20 before they got a chance to look at it again. Smart IMO.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 6:41 pm to diat150
quote:The clock doesn't stop at exactly 2:00 if a play is in progress, so they didn't make a 5 second play only burn 1 second.
how can you say it only saved 1 second? if he had let the clock run down to 2 minutes, are you saying the 49ers next play would have lasted only 1 second?
Posted on 11/18/13 at 6:41 pm to NawlinsTiger9
TheSexecutioner is entertaining. He appears to waste a good deal of time drumming up controversy but it's entertaining and well thought out.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 6:54 pm to TheSexecutioner
The end of the game time outs were great. He was saving time for the Saints to get the ball back.
He is confident in the defense to make a stop, and was playing to win the game instead of playing to Not lose.
The TO at 2:01 wasn't about saving 1 second. It was about making the 49ers run another play before the 2 min warning knowing the clock would stop again after that play.
Was it all a calculated risk? Yes, but I'd rather they play to win, and isn't great to have a defense to stop the opponent...
Posted on 11/18/13 at 6:56 pm to BarbeTiger
quote:Yes, yes they are.
stupid people are hilarious
Posted on 11/18/13 at 7:00 pm to s_i5
quote:Payton is an aggressive risk taker, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
The TO at 2:01 wasn't about saving 1 second. It was about making the 49ers run another play before the 2 min warning knowing the clock would stop again after that play.
Was it all a calculated risk? Yes, but I'd rather they play to win, and isn't great to have a defense to stop the opponent...
But he is aware of his options and decides, unlike the historically and still clueless Miles.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 7:02 pm to TheSexecutioner
Plus the first half timeout was virtually irrelevant
Posted on 11/18/13 at 7:26 pm to LasVegasBandit
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This thread seems played out (8 pages) but I really regret missing it. I'd love to converse with the OP over a beer to flesh out why he feels so passionately that it was the wrong decision.
I'd be happy to meet up for a beer to flesh it out so long as you are buying
But If you want to save yourself a beer, I suggest you read Samaham's post and think about it. PM me if you still fancy trading a beer for some education on the matter though. quote:
In summary, your timeouts are more valuable when the opposing team has the ball than when you have the ball because your offense can expedite the time running off between snaps, whereas your defense is powerless to do so.
Agreed. You must have misread my posts or have a fundamental misunderstanding of the situation because at no point did I advocate anything to the contrary.
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And the "2 minute warning" caveat is irrelevant to this discussion. That's what I don't think the OP and his supporters realize. It's a finite occurrence that will happen regardless. It isn't a part of this discussion/debate.
No, it isn't. Had we let the clock run down to the 2 minute warning, we would still have the timeout. Then if SF throws an incomplete pass the next play(which is what happened), we can keep the timeout since the clock stops anyway. We have no option to defer the 2 minute warning until later. The issue here is that we allowed the 2 minute warning to be wasted rather than guarenteeing that it be used as a timeout.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 8:18 pm to TheSexecutioner
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No, it isn't. Had we let the clock run down to the 2 minute warning, we would still have the timeout. Then if SF throws an incomplete pass the next play(which is what happened), we can keep the timeout since the clock stops anyway.
It is extremely likely that SF only attempted a pass on 2nd and 19 because they knew the clock would stop after that play regardless. If they were past the 2 minute warning, it is very likely they would have either straight up ran it up the gut, or tried a draw or screen. They would have forced the Saints to use timeouts on both 2nd and 3rd down.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 8:58 pm to TheSexecutioner
The first half isn't a big deal. It's just the first half. As Trent Dilfer said his 2nd half management was genius. Payton has more trust in the defense than I do though.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 9:04 pm to TheSexecutioner
9 pages.
That's semi-impressive.
Comparing Miles to Payton is asinine
Yeah i agree. Winning had nothing to do with risk taking, preparation and good coaching despite the shitty turnovers. It was something that just happened to happen.
I'm not reading the rest of your mindless rant.
That's semi-impressive.
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Why is he getting a pass on his Miles-esque TO usage?
Comparing Miles to Payton is asinine
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Just because we happened to win?
Yeah i agree. Winning had nothing to do with risk taking, preparation and good coaching despite the shitty turnovers. It was something that just happened to happen.
I'm not reading the rest of your mindless rant.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 9:10 pm to TheSexecutioner
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TheSexecutioner
Dilfer was on the herd today and said it was one of the most brilliant time outs he has ever seen. Do yourself a favor and listen to the herd on podcast for today and stop talking about shite like you know what is going on.
SP is a fricking football genius and you're an ignorant count.
He is famous and revered in coaching circles at the highest level of football and you're a fricking nobody on a message board
Sorry you suck at life
Posted on 11/18/13 at 9:12 pm to WHATDOINO
were you asking about a avi/sig?
I can help you out.
I can help you out.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 9:18 pm to Breesus
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turn TO calling duties to somebody with a brain
Posted on 11/18/13 at 9:19 pm to Breesus
Sorry. It wasnt me but I wouldnt mind a cool one
Posted on 11/18/13 at 9:45 pm to WHATDOINO
Look, I've explained what you need to know to anybody who cares to look at it with a logical mind.
There is no mathematical justification to ever call a timeout at 2:01. The most it can save is 1 second. I don't know how people can't understand this, but the fact remains that some can not.
For those of you who understand this, you should then realize that there is no application of game theory that allows Sean Payton to pressure Harbaugh into making a sub-optimal playcall by calling that timeout. He is giving him more options, not restricting any. Somehow people can't understand this either.
The best you can argue is that he is baiting Harbaugh into making an irrational play-calling decision. That is a stretch because it relies on assumptions that it is better to run the ball but Harbaugh will be too stupid to know that. If anybody wants to contend that, I'll discuss it. The rest of you can just trust Trent Dilfer.
There is no mathematical justification to ever call a timeout at 2:01. The most it can save is 1 second. I don't know how people can't understand this, but the fact remains that some can not.
For those of you who understand this, you should then realize that there is no application of game theory that allows Sean Payton to pressure Harbaugh into making a sub-optimal playcall by calling that timeout. He is giving him more options, not restricting any. Somehow people can't understand this either.
The best you can argue is that he is baiting Harbaugh into making an irrational play-calling decision. That is a stretch because it relies on assumptions that it is better to run the ball but Harbaugh will be too stupid to know that. If anybody wants to contend that, I'll discuss it. The rest of you can just trust Trent Dilfer.
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