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re: Payton's Inexcusable Timeout Management
Posted on 11/18/13 at 3:35 pm to TheSexecutioner
Posted on 11/18/13 at 3:35 pm to TheSexecutioner
quote:
. The 2 minute warning happening after the play ensured that the effect of the clock would be exactly the same for a run or pass. That means their playcalling is not affected by clock management. That makes it less predictable, not more.
You couldn't be more wrong.
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Posted on 11/18/13 at 3:36 pm to Fun Bunch
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I'm sure The Sexecutioner knows more about these things than Sean Payton. He seriously COULD be making 8 mill a year coaching football, he just chooses not to. Its far more rewarding sitting in his parents garage.
Do you say the same thing about Miles? Surely nobody who isn't a coach knows more about clock managment than him.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 3:36 pm to macatak911
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He's not dumb, he's correct. I was pissed about the 2:01 timeout.
Why? It's smart
Posted on 11/18/13 at 3:36 pm to Fun Bunch
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You couldn't be more wrong.
Oh, I'm sure he can, and he will.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 3:36 pm to TheSexecutioner
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Strawman. I never said it didn't increase their chances of passing. It obviously did.
Which is why the timeout was called. That's not a strawman.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 3:36 pm to Joe Mantegna
The first half TO was bad, but the second half was pure coaching brilliance. As an LSU fan, it was a breath of fresh air.
If your D can't stop their O, you play for overtime. Therefore, you let the clock run down to 2:00 before attempting the game tying FG.
However, our D was shutting down their O AND our O has quick scoring ability AND our kicker was having a good day. Therefore, you play for the win in regulation, which means:
1. Call timeout at 2:11
2. Kick game tying FG (if you miss it, step 1 gives you a shot at getting the ball again)
3. Kick a touchback so the 49ers have to run a play before the 2-minute warning
4. If the clock is anywhere above 2:00 after said play, call a TO
5. Get a stop
6. Brees gonna Brees
7. You still have a timeout to set up the FG
8. Hartley gonna '09
9. Profit
If your D can't stop their O, you play for overtime. Therefore, you let the clock run down to 2:00 before attempting the game tying FG.
However, our D was shutting down their O AND our O has quick scoring ability AND our kicker was having a good day. Therefore, you play for the win in regulation, which means:
1. Call timeout at 2:11
2. Kick game tying FG (if you miss it, step 1 gives you a shot at getting the ball again)
3. Kick a touchback so the 49ers have to run a play before the 2-minute warning
4. If the clock is anywhere above 2:00 after said play, call a TO
5. Get a stop
6. Brees gonna Brees
7. You still have a timeout to set up the FG
8. Hartley gonna '09
9. Profit
Posted on 11/18/13 at 3:37 pm to sicboy
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Can we stop questioning the timeouts, please? CSP knows what he's doing, much more than us. Give it up.
actually, we should be able to criticize Payton for that 1st half timeout…that was quite an embarrassment
also, letting Lance fair catch a punt deep in our territory when all we are going to do is take it to halftime..also very questionable
you can criticize bad decision making yet still give the man props…he's a top 3 coach in the league; doesn't mean he's invincible
Posted on 11/18/13 at 3:38 pm to liquid rabbit
Why is this thread still going?
Posted on 11/18/13 at 3:39 pm to TheSexecutioner
quote:
The 2 minute warning happening after the play ensured that the effect of the clock would be exactly the same for a run or pass. That means their playcalling is not affected by clock management. That makes it less predictable, not more
No, they don't run a play before the 2 minute warning. Coming out of the warning they can decide if they want to run the ball to force a timeout or throw the ball and be aggressive.
The timeout before the 2:00 minute warning actually makes 2nd down playcall more predictable.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 3:39 pm to Suntiger
We're bored? 
Posted on 11/18/13 at 3:40 pm to Suntiger
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Why is this thread still going?
people are replying
Posted on 11/18/13 at 3:40 pm to Suntiger
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Why is this thread still going?
if the OP wasn't a dumbass, it would be a legit thread…that being said, OP positioned his argument like a complete fricking idiot
Posted on 11/18/13 at 3:40 pm to Suntiger
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Why is this thread still going?
Datty nod.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 3:41 pm to SEClint
Not in the same league as "were gonna get blown out."
Posted on 11/18/13 at 3:41 pm to TheSexecutioner
quote:
Do you say the same thing about Miles? Surely nobody who isn't a coach knows more about clock managment than him
Do you think that Sean Payton has proven to be a more successful, better prepared, smarter coach than Miles on virtually every level?
Posted on 11/18/13 at 3:42 pm to liquid rabbit
Not much is but, this is pretty full blown retard.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 3:43 pm to TheSexecutioner
Why are CSP and I the ones the ones wrong? Everything unfolded like he planned it and I was expecting it. You are griping bc his winning strategy was different than you theoretical strategy that we will never know if it would have worked.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 3:43 pm to TigersforEver
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1. Call timeout at 2:11
2. Kick game tying FG (if you miss it, step 1 gives you a shot at getting the ball again)
3. Kick a touchback so the 49ers have to run a play before the 2-minute warning
4. If the clock is anywhere above 2:00 after said play, call a TO
5. Get a stop
6. Brees gonna Brees
7. You still have a timeout to set up the FG
8. Hartley gonna '09
9. Profit
Well, nice summation.
This post was edited on 11/18/13 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 11/18/13 at 3:43 pm to Fun Bunch
Listening to Cowherd this morning, Trent Dilfer said Payton's clock management in the last 2 minutes was the best he'd ever seen out of a head coach. Said Payton belongs in a select group with Belichick as the best coaches in the NFL. He may know a little more than the OP.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 3:44 pm to TigersforEver
We had two TOs and the 2 minute warning at the start of the last defensive drive. We're playing to get the ball back. At the start of the drive, you have to assume that you're going to burn all your TOs to get the ball back. Therefore, the most important thing is conserving enough time to drive down the field with no TO's, even if it's just one second.
It ended up being a moot point because of the incomplete pass and Kaep running out of bounds. Coach SP made the right choice given the circumstances.
It ended up being a moot point because of the incomplete pass and Kaep running out of bounds. Coach SP made the right choice given the circumstances.
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