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Patriots, Saints supposedly won’t talk about a trade for Malcolm Butler

Posted on 3/20/17 at 9:08 pm
Posted by Mrwhodat
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Posted on 3/20/17 at 9:08 pm
Posted by Mike Florio on March 20, 2017, 8:55 PM EDT

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Not long ago, the Patriots reportedly were considering adding cornerback Malcolm Butler to the trade package that brought receiver Brandin Cooks from New Orleans to New England. It didn’t happen, due in large part to the fact that Cooks was due to earn a $780,000 roster bonus last Monday, leaving precious little time to piece everything together.

The process of piecing everything together has continued beyond the completion of the Cooks trade, with the Saints hosting Butler on Thursday and reportedly putting the parameters of a long-term deal in place. But, supposedly, this doesn’t mean that the Patriots will trade Butler to the Saints.

Supposedly.

Ian Rapoport of NFL Media suggests that the Patriots have had no talks with the Saints on a possible Butler trade, and that the Patriots won’t until he signs his restricted free agency tender. While there’s no reason to doubt the fact that someone in the know is telling this to Rapoport, it feels like an effort to avoid any claim that the Patriots didn’t apply the RFA tender to Butler with a good-faith intention to employ him for 2017 at the amount of the tender offer. Patriots coach Bill Belichick has shown extreme sensitivity to this requirement of the labor deal in the past, and Belichick likely is tiptoeing on those same eggshells now.

So it all has to happen discreetly, with the Saints and Patriots winking and nodding and Butler signing the RFA tender knowing that the Patriots will follow through on a trade for something less than the 11th overall pick in the draft, which is what they’d get if the Saints sign Butler to an offer sheet the Patriots don’t match.

It makes sense for the Saints to offer the No. 32 pick in round one, obtained from the Patriots for Cooks, to the Patriots for Butler. It makes no sense for the Saints to send the No. 11 pick to the Patriots for Butler. Before doing that, the Saints should work out a deal with one of the teams near the bottom of round one, with the understanding being that one of those teams would sign Butler to an offer sheet that the Patriots wouldn’t match, acquire Butler for the low first-round pick, and then trade Butler plus something more to the Saints for the No. 11 pick. The Saints would still lose the No. 11 pick, but they’d get something in return from a team in the high 20s/low 30s that slides up nearly 20 spots in round one.

Whatever the Saints would get via that approach, they’d end up with something more than simply signing Butler to an offer sheet and giving up the No. 11 pick. Which underscores the fact that it makes no sense to sign Butler to an offer sheet.

Alternatively, the Saints and Patriots can simply work out a trade for Butler quietly and carefully, while telling anyone in the media who’ll listen that they aren’t and won’t be talking about a trade. Our guess is that this is what’s exactly going on.
Posted by bountyhunter
North of Houston a bit
Member since Mar 2012
6330 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 9:12 pm to
Wait wait... people are expecting two of the most distrusting organizations, in regards to the media, to just outright say "yes! We have been colluding on this deal. Here are the specifics!"? My god people are delusional with the expectation of transparency.
Posted by Sparkplug#1
Member since May 2013
7352 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 9:15 pm to
I wonder what the record is for player threads on ST is and people using thier crystal balls. This topic and speculation has to be a close 1st, next to Brees.
Posted by Suntiger
BR or somewhere else
Member since Feb 2007
32953 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 9:19 pm to
Brah, do you even Nnamdi Asomugha?
Posted by Sparkplug#1
Member since May 2013
7352 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 9:23 pm to
Not sure, but I've heard every theory on Butler. Only the enquirer type shite hasn't been posted yet.
Posted by bonethug0108
Avondale
Member since Mar 2013
12690 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 9:44 pm to
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Before doing that, the Saints should work out a deal with one of the teams near the bottom of round one, with the understanding being that one of those teams would sign Butler to an offer sheet that the Patriots wouldn’t match, acquire Butler for the low first-round pick, and then trade Butler plus something more to the Saints for the No. 11 pick. The Saints would still lose the No. 11 pick, but they’d get something in return from a team in the high 20s/low 30s that slides up nearly 20 spots in round one.


No no no no no no no.

None of this makes any fricking sense. It's like Florio read that thread posted here earlier and thought that was a serious scenario, but took it further.

IF we were to get a middle man, say the Steelers, we'd give them 32 plus say a fifth, the Pats get the Steeler's pick when they decline to match, and we get Butler.

But NONE of that is necessary. People in the know have said compensation is already worked out when they were discussing Cooks for Butler, but they had to do it in a wink nod way.

If they did it openly it would violate rules. So when they ask Belichek about it he HAS to say they've had no trade talks about Butler.

But now people are believing that's actually true when it's not.

Edit:
Actually I'm sure any scenario like that (3 team trade with Butler) would be seen as collusion so that rules anything like that out.
This post was edited on 3/20/17 at 9:49 pm
Posted by bonethug0108
Avondale
Member since Mar 2013
12690 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 9:45 pm to
Also nice misleading title there. You're better than that.
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
29999 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 9:46 pm to
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I wonder what the record is for player threads on ST is and people using thier crystal balls. This topic and speculation has to be a close 1st, next to Brees.


can you even begin to imagine the 1,000 different threads started when drew leaves and we discuss who should be brought in to replace him
Posted by Sparkplug#1
Member since May 2013
7352 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 9:51 pm to
No I can't. One reason is there has already been 1000 of those, too.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56466 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 9:57 pm to
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Actually I'm sure any scenario like that (3 team trade with Butler) would be seen as collusion so that rules anything like that out.



Butler is going to want guaranteed money. Wouldn't that money immediately come due to the salary cap of the 3rd team if they signed Butler and then traded him?

Posted by knowingabyss
Vermont
Member since Aug 2016
2700 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 10:07 pm to
Idk, I just want this shite to be over. I'm so tired of hearing these rumors and reports, Saints and Patriots are playing chicken to see who buckles first and I'm tired of this shite.
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
29999 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 10:10 pm to
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No I can't. One reason is there has already been 1000 of those, too


seems like it, and he isn't even really going anywhere yet
Posted by Mr. Hangover
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2003
34508 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 10:26 pm to
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Wait wait... people are expecting two of the most distrusting organizations, in regards to the media, to just outright say "yes! We have been colluding on this deal. Here are the specifics!"? My god people are delusional with the expectation of transparency.


Absolutely

Happens on tigerdroppings all the time especially during the coaching carousel
Posted by whodatfan
Member since Mar 2008
21328 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 10:35 pm to
Florio is a doofus. None of that third team shite is necessary. Butler signs his tender (knowing hes coming here), we then "talk" to the patriots about a trade deal (like we haven't already), and boom done. They get whatever pick/picks we agreed on which will most definitely not be 11. Butler gets his contract. Am I missing something here? Why are these whackadoodles making it some NBA type trade?
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
11894 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 11:00 pm to
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Idk, I just want this shite to be over. I'm so tired of hearing these rumors and reports, Saints and Patriots are playing chicken to see who buckles first and I'm tired of this shite.
Agree. I do not like our odds in a game of chicken against BB.
Posted by Mr. Hangover
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2003
34508 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 11:06 pm to
They basically wrote an article listing every possible scenario
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
29999 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 11:23 pm to
so what they are saying is the two teams who are prevented from discussing a trade for a player who isn't under contract based on NFL rules under penalty of heavy fines and/or loss of draft picks as punishable for doing so, are refusing to speak about something that if they speak about is an admission of guilt to breaking the NFL rules.


well now, when you put it that way, I cant understand why they wont talk about the butler trade either and incur severe penalties and fines for doing so.
Posted by WicKed WayZ
Louisiana Forever
Member since Sep 2011
31576 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 12:23 am to
They could be playing chicken, or they could be just having closed door conversations about the trade. It's a sticky situation because the Saints could just take Butler right now. He'd be in Black and Gold and the Pats would get 11. Except Sean and Mickey know they can't do that.

But they also want him. If Butler signs the tender, even if there is a handshake agreement, the Pats could just frick y'all and send him somewhere else, leaving us high and dry. And if that happens it's not like the Saints can cry to Goodell because there wasn't supposed to be talks or any deals to begin with.


If it's a chicken game, then it's probably not for 11. It's Mickey being chicken shite scared of having a handshake agreement with the Pats once Butler signs his tender, essentially putting his faith in the Pats when he could just sign Butler.
Posted by SuperSoakher
Member since Jun 2012
4585 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 12:47 am to
I don't understand why the FO rushed the cooks deal over a couple hundred thousand dollars? Was that really the case?
Posted by mindbreaker
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
7637 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 5:17 am to
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I don't understand why the FO rushed the cooks deal over a couple hundred thousand dollars? Was that really the case?


Absolutely they did, and the answer is easy. Tom Benson didn't want to pay it if they were trading him and Tom Benson is the boss
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