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re: Official Barkevious Mingo THUNDERDOME thread
Posted on 3/23/13 at 8:00 pm to Hulkklogan
Posted on 3/23/13 at 8:00 pm to Hulkklogan
its hard to argue straight faced when your opponent is a retard like chad
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Posted on 3/23/13 at 8:35 pm to Maximus
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I'll answer you because you have actual concerns vs. Maxiums who is just spewing fumes without any substance. As a 3-4 you don't have to separate from blocks as much as beat your guy to the punch with speed and pass rush moves. 3-4 is designed to disguise the blitz so the offensive linemen are at a disadvantage not knowing which side its coming from. Mingo is fast, stupid fast for his size. From a Stand-up position he has advantage over a 330 pound linemen lined up in a 3-point stance. As far as his size it's comparable to Von Miller (6' 2" 237) who just had a 17 sack season (not sure on the number and not looking it up but it's close). Don't get me wrong I don't think he's Von Miller. I was just showing you how an undersized guy can rack up sacks if he is smaller than your average DE. Mingo's measurements and athletic ability are custom built for a rush outside linebacker. Go look through the mock drafts every team he is projected to runs a 3-4. He has never projected as a DE like he played in college because you are right he sucks at fighting off of blocks. Yes he will have to be coached. Yes it won't be perfect, but in the NFL you draft for ability and hope you can coach them up. If that wasn't the case Ansah would not be projected as a top ten pick yet there he is with all of two years of football. If he can beat one OT every two games that will be 8 sacks in one year more than any one player on the Saints the last two seasons.
This.
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14 sentences of pretending to be a scout. You should say more scout stuff like A gap and 5 technique next time.
He had a lot more solid points in his single post than you've had in six pages of trolling.
Posted on 3/23/13 at 8:36 pm to Maximus
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whats a troll job about saying dont pick a 4.5 sack guy at 15 because he went to LSU?
So we should pass on Dion Jordan at 15 because he had 5 sacks?
Ezekiel Ansah only had 4.5 sacks. Should we pass on him too?
Star Loutelelei had 5.0 sacks to BTW.
Who should we take? If you actually want to have a discussion. Or you could just keep trolling Chad. Either way.
This post was edited on 3/23/13 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 3/24/13 at 12:05 am to mindbreaker
I like that feedback mindbreaker. i guess what i am trying to say is that mingo is a project for the future. i believe the saints are in a win now at all cost mode for the next 2-3 years and cant afford to take a risk with mingo. for all i know, mingo may turn out to be the next big thing in several years. But i will side with my gut until otherwise proven that i would rather not take that gamble.
if it were up to me, if jarvis isnt at 15, i would trade down and see what is there. jmo
if it were up to me, if jarvis isnt at 15, i would trade down and see what is there. jmo
Posted on 3/24/13 at 12:24 am to SonOfABayouBandit426
Jarvis isn't a for sure player either. He might be more of a liability than Mingo. Health problems have to be considered, plus his ability to play the run is a huge weakness. If anything Mingo is a better all around player. He might have only had 4.5 sacks, but that doesn't tell the whole story. I watched every game 2-3 times last year and he was very disruptive for most games. In 3 years he accumulated 27 QB hurries, 29 TFL, and 14 sacks. Pretty damn good production.
Jason Pierre Paul only had 6.5 sacks his one year at USF. Chandler Jones never had more than 4.5 sacks in his 3 seasons at Syracuse. Aldon Smith only had 4.5 in his last year. Point is that stats can be misleading
Jason Pierre Paul only had 6.5 sacks his one year at USF. Chandler Jones never had more than 4.5 sacks in his 3 seasons at Syracuse. Aldon Smith only had 4.5 in his last year. Point is that stats can be misleading
Posted on 3/24/13 at 12:29 am to whodidthat
quote:Maximus is just going to sarcastically respond to these facts by calling you a pretend scout
Jason Pierre Paul only had 6.5 sacks his one year at USF. Chandler Jones never had more than 4.5 sacks in his 3 seasons at Syracuse. Aldon Smith only had 4.5 in his last year. Point is that stats can be misleading
Posted on 3/24/13 at 12:52 am to Suntiger
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So we should pass on Dion Jordan at 15 because he had 5 sacks?
Ezekiel Ansah only had 4.5 sacks. Should we pass on him too?
Star Loutelelei had 5.0 sacks to BTW.
Max watched them every play all season long, dude is an expert
Posted on 3/24/13 at 12:55 am to whodidthat
Jarvis had been cleared by the docs saying he's good to go. I'm not sure about him having a weakness at run stuffing bc I watched his game film against bama and he did pretty good to me. Held up blockers and made players. I'd rather take a player that has been playing the 3-4 OLB for 4 years as opposed to mingo learning a whole new position
But then again this is all talk bc it may never happen
But then again this is all talk bc it may never happen
Posted on 3/24/13 at 1:11 am to SonOfABayouBandit426
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I'm not sure about him having a weakness at run stuffing bc I watched his game film against bama and he did pretty good to me
The general consensus by scouts is that he's mainly a pass rushing specialist. I watched the game against Bama. They had him maintained well, barely doubled or even chipped him.
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as opposed to mingo learning a whole new position
He's a smart person. It's not going to be hard for him to learn how to rush the passer right away. Plus he has quick instincts with overall elite speed. When you say project it usually means 3-4 years. I bet Mingo would have the position and system down in 2 years. He would contribute right away. Not much of a project
Posted on 3/24/13 at 7:03 am to jeff5891
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Max watched them every play all season long, dude is an expert
says Jeff, who didn't know until this thread that there is a difference between games started and games played.
I can't comment on those other 3 because i've never seen them play. I know Mingo sucks because I've seen it with my own eyes. I won't sit here and pretend to be a scout like the rest of you mini GMs.
Lets keep comparing Mingo's sack total to 320 lb DTs or guys who just came to america in the past 3 or 4 years and pretend like thats a fair comparison. I'm sure you were trumpeting Richard Dickson over Jimmy Graham because of their stats too.
The same with saying Mingo is comparable size to Aldon Smith and co. because he added 15 lbs for the combine to "only" weigh 20-25 lbs than they all weighed at the combine. He has never carried anywhere near 241 lbs during a season, he plays at closer to 220 than 240 and he even lost weight going into his last year at LSU. But, hey, he went to LSU so we should pick him! And Dwight Freeney and every other pass rusher doesn't use stupid pass rush moves anyway amirite!!!
Posted on 3/24/13 at 7:04 am to whodidthat
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I watched the game against Bama. They had him maintained well, barely doubled or even chipped him.
how did mingo do comparatively vs bama?
Posted on 3/24/13 at 7:05 am to SonOfABayouBandit426
Oh I'm on board with you there. I would rather Jones over Mingo too. Hell if Ansah or Lane Johnson (the OT from oklahoma) is there along with Mingo I wouldn't be upset if we took either of the over him. That being said I think Mingo will do very well with a switch to 3-4 olb
Posted on 3/24/13 at 7:20 am to mindbreaker
What is the real world difference between 4.5 and 4.9 40 times in rushing a QB? Jarvis seems like more of a sure thing because he has played the position and played it extremely well versus the best teams in college football. Mingo might wind up being a stud, but I don't think anyone can say for sure.
Posted on 3/24/13 at 8:59 am to Maximus
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I'm sure you were trumpeting Richard Dickson over Jimmy Graham because of their stats too.
And for the 5th time in this thread you have proved your own point: stats don't mean shite when talking about NFL projections.
I didn't see one person in this thread say we should take Mingo because he went to LSU. I think everyone made some valid points why he would be a decent 15 pick.
Time to sit down, dude, and stop trollin.
Posted on 3/24/13 at 9:01 am to Hulkklogan
Haha this is the best post in this thread. Why haven't admins gotten upset with Maximus? I thought flames and attacks at people were generally frowned upon?
Posted on 3/24/13 at 9:14 am to Maximus
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Lets keep comparing Mingo's sack total to 320 lb DTs or guys who just came to america in the past 3 or 4 years and pretend like thats a fair comparison. I'm sure you were trumpeting Richard Dickson over Jimmy Graham because of their stats too.
The same with saying Mingo is comparable size to Aldon Smith and co. because he added 15 lbs for the combine to "only" weigh 20-25 lbs than they all weighed at the combine. He has never carried anywhere near 241 lbs during a season, he plays at closer to 220 than 240 and he even lost weight going into his last year at LSU. But, hey, he went to LSU so we should pick him! And Dwight Freeney and every other pass rusher doesn't use stupid pass rush moves anyway amirite!!!
you should be getting paid for this. obviously you have spotted something that no one else in the NFL sees.
Posted on 3/24/13 at 10:06 am to jeff5891
Says Jeff, the huge LSU fan that thought Mingo played in 15 games in his career.
Posted on 3/24/13 at 10:50 am to Maximus
Idk how you can straight up say 'Mingo sucks' when he was clearly utilized in the worst of ways at LSU for his frame and skillset. Scheme fit is just as important for a player than anything else. Do you not think roman Harper will play better in Rob's SS blitz happy D. Do you think Namdi went from stud to dud in 1 year to Philly because he just lost all of his skill?
If you take a look back at players who have moved from DE to OLB/OLB to DE they don't play, produce, fit the same. Mario Williams playing a 3-4 was ugly. Dwight freeney is a much better 4-3 end. Demarcus ware naturally looks a lot better flying off the edge with a DE inside instead of him trying to anchor his end of the line by himself.
Also depends who you are playing with. Aldon Smith should have broke the sack record last year but failed to get a sack the final 4 games or so after Justin Smith went down... And to think some team just overpaid for that fat slob from LSU who took his place.
Anyways main point here - I personally have never seen Mingo play OLB so to judge him to the extent which you are judging, Maximus, is complete and utter ignorance. You are very committed to this troll job so I look forward to reading your bullshite replies
If you take a look back at players who have moved from DE to OLB/OLB to DE they don't play, produce, fit the same. Mario Williams playing a 3-4 was ugly. Dwight freeney is a much better 4-3 end. Demarcus ware naturally looks a lot better flying off the edge with a DE inside instead of him trying to anchor his end of the line by himself.
Also depends who you are playing with. Aldon Smith should have broke the sack record last year but failed to get a sack the final 4 games or so after Justin Smith went down... And to think some team just overpaid for that fat slob from LSU who took his place
. Anyways main point here - I personally have never seen Mingo play OLB so to judge him to the extent which you are judging, Maximus, is complete and utter ignorance. You are very committed to this troll job so I look forward to reading your bullshite replies
Posted on 3/24/13 at 10:53 am to Maximus
Says max the greatest talent evaluator on tiger droppings. Serious your arrogance is hilarious.
sorry about the typo bro. I still say there are better options before him. But if everyone else is taken and we fill other needs in FA, we should take him, OT, or S.
sorry about the typo bro. I still say there are better options before him. But if everyone else is taken and we fill other needs in FA, we should take him, OT, or S.
Posted on 3/24/13 at 11:21 am to jeff5891
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sorry about the typo bro.
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Come on i know you saw that he played less than half the games Demarcus played.
thats one hell of a typo
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