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Posted on 6/19/11 at 9:19 pm to Meateye
I never said Smith was washed up. That's just how you interpreted what I posted. What I was implying was that Smith underachieved in '10. With an improved D-Line this upcoming season, there is no excuse for Smith not to put up bigger numbers.
Also remember Smith may end up having to sit the first for games & that will give others an opportunity to showcase their abilities. IF those other guys produce & IF Smith doesn't once he returns, then he could possibily lose snaps. Its just a possibility, I never said that its written in stone that it will happen. I'm pulling for Smith to have a big year just like everyone else is.
Also remember Smith may end up having to sit the first for games & that will give others an opportunity to showcase their abilities. IF those other guys produce & IF Smith doesn't once he returns, then he could possibily lose snaps. Its just a possibility, I never said that its written in stone that it will happen. I'm pulling for Smith to have a big year just like everyone else is.
Posted on 6/19/11 at 10:55 pm to BigBrod81
quote:Already a done deal. He has to sit the first 4 games.
Smith may end up having to sit the first for games
Posted on 6/20/11 at 8:28 am to BigBrod81
1) Sacks aren't always the best way to measure pass rush ability.
2&3) I think that if he shows enough in camp, Charles Brown will be starting over one of them.
4) Protection and running game issues this season hurt Devery's effectiveness, IMO. I think that with the issues in the running game, our playcalling was limited, and thus Devery wasn't as effective in the passing game.
2&3) I think that if he shows enough in camp, Charles Brown will be starting over one of them.
4) Protection and running game issues this season hurt Devery's effectiveness, IMO. I think that with the issues in the running game, our playcalling was limited, and thus Devery wasn't as effective in the passing game.
Posted on 6/20/11 at 10:32 am to Sophandros
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I think that with the issues in the running game, our playcalling was limited
I dunno if everyone really gets how big of a deal this was. If Ivory was in you automatically knew it couldn't be a passing play. He didn't catch on to the passing scheme and couldn't pass block at all. PT & Reggie were out so much we had guys in there operating by the seat of their pants. I venture to say our playbook is one of the largest in the league. It's not easy even for veterans like Betts, Jones, & Wynn to pickup.
This leads to another anticipation/excitement issue... Ingram is known as a quality receiver and one of the best blocking backs in the NCAA. Make no mistake, Payton/Loomis didn't sacrifice this year's 2nd Rd pick to get next year's 1st Rder early on a whim. They're after (with no hatin') what they were hoping Reggie would have been.
I'm sticking with THIS projection- 1000-1263 yds on 250-300 carries for Ingram.
Posted on 6/20/11 at 10:45 am to blueslover
If Ingram puts out 2006 Deuce numbers in the running game, then I'm going to have to go GHAZI on here...
Posted on 6/20/11 at 4:02 pm to Ringo cockerham
quote:Dont forget we have some young athletic linebackers that should get a lot of playing time. If all goes well they should relieve some pressure off of Vilma.
I kno he's a new addition, but Shaun Rogers could really bring this defense 2 another level. We really need 2 give Vilma more room 2 run this year. Keep those olinemen off him.
Posted on 6/20/11 at 4:17 pm to Sophandros
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4) Protection and running game issues this season hurt Devery's effectiveness, IMO. I think that with the issues in the running game, our playcalling was limited, and thus Devery wasn't as effective in the passing game.
This could be Devery with a solid running game.
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Posted on 6/20/11 at 4:29 pm to Meateye
quote:I'll disagree with you here. This is just another in a series of excuses made for Smith be it injury, scheme, or D-line personnel. With the exception of 2 seasons out of 10, he's been above average at best so let's just call it what it is. Will Smith is an above average pass rusher and has been for the majority of his career. Solid against the run and still probably the best end on the roster but not a productive pass rusher.
Alex Brown didnt do shite last year on the other side. That and that alone is why Smith had an off year.
quote:Can't disagree with this at all.
All I'm saying is that if you are going to be the man & get paid for being the man, then you better play & produce like the man.
This post was edited on 6/20/11 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 6/20/11 at 4:31 pm to SaintEB
I wouldn't say the protection and running game solely hurt dev. Throw some love at meachem too. He's the future. The lack of protection (bushrod and stinchcomb) affected everyone. Issues in the run game i'd say are resolved, now let's just give our qb with the best pocket presence in the world a bit more time, and we'll be parading our way to lucas oil stadium come february
Posted on 6/20/11 at 4:33 pm to HollywoodHorn87
It all goes hand-in-hand, Hollywood....hand-in-hand.
Posted on 6/21/11 at 2:22 pm to Sophandros
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1) Sacks aren't always the best way to measure pass rush ability.
That is very much true but you can also look at hurries, imcompletions from hurries & INT's from those hurries.
The defense as a hole had a significant drop off in turnovers from '09 to '10. The lack of a consistant pass rush, imo, helped contribute to that. Smith is our best pass rusher & his inability to do so hurt our team defensively.
The blame doesn't fall completely on Smith. No one else stepped up on the D-Line to provide a consistant pass rush either. Along with the absence of Malcolm Jenkins, our lack of a pass rush was what did the Saints in defensively against Seattle & also a few regular season games too.
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2) Protection and running game issues this season hurt Devery's effectiveness, IMO. I think that with the issues in the running game, our playcalling was limited, and thus Devery wasn't as effective in the passing game.
The same can be said for the lack of production from both Henderson & Meachem. Henderson drop several passes last season that could have been big plays. It just seemed he was in Sean Payton's doghouse for a few games because of his drops.
This post was edited on 6/21/11 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 6/21/11 at 2:39 pm to blueslover
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If Ivory was in you automatically knew it couldn't be a passing play. He didn't catch on to the passing scheme and couldn't pass block at all.
In the first few games Ivory played this was truly indeed the case but after a few games Payton began to trust Ivory more. If you go back & look at the Cowboy & Bengal games, you will see Ivory in on some big passing plays.
On the deep pass to Devery in the 1st quarter, against Dallas, Drew faked to Ivory & Ivory stayed in to block & did a pretty good job doing so. Ivory was also in the crucial TD winning drive. Drew faked to Ivory before hitting Lance Moore for the game winner.
This continued against the Bengals as Drew faked to Ivory & hit Meachem for a long TD. Ivory's inability to stay healthy keep him from developing more as a blocker & threat in the passing game. He is not on the level of PT or Bush but he showed signs of improvement each game he played.
This post was edited on 6/21/11 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 6/21/11 at 2:55 pm to BigBrod81
I'll go as far as "he improved" but that is from a reference point of zero.
When ya have to start remembering 2-3 specific plays that ain't much. That could be solely from him being in there and Brees audibling too.
Only 1 catch in his NFL career too.
He can learn, grow, and become a better all around back. My emphasis was more on Igram. Besides his running skills he is one of the most proficient pass blocking & receiving backs out of college in a while. He's game ready in those departments from the get go.
When ya have to start remembering 2-3 specific plays that ain't much. That could be solely from him being in there and Brees audibling too.
Only 1 catch in his NFL career too.
He can learn, grow, and become a better all around back. My emphasis was more on Igram. Besides his running skills he is one of the most proficient pass blocking & receiving backs out of college in a while. He's game ready in those departments from the get go.
Posted on 6/21/11 at 3:05 pm to blueslover
Agreed, Ivory was & still is rough around the edges. The fact that he was in on some crucial passing plays says the Payton & Brees had trust in his abilities.
As you point out, Ingram skills are more polished coming out of college. I think Ingram's addition is not only huge by what he will bring on Sunday's but also the level of competition he will bring to camp & practice. His presence will cause all of his fellow backfield mates to have to train hard & improve themselves as well.
As you point out, Ingram skills are more polished coming out of college. I think Ingram's addition is not only huge by what he will bring on Sunday's but also the level of competition he will bring to camp & practice. His presence will cause all of his fellow backfield mates to have to train hard & improve themselves as well.
Posted on 6/21/11 at 3:27 pm to BigBrod81
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The defense as a hole had a significant drop off in turnovers from '09 to '10.
That's because turnovers are generally not predictable or repeatable.
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Along with the absence of Malcolm Jenkins, our lack of a pass rush was what did the Saints in defensively against Seattle & also a few regular season games too.
Letting them run on us at will also had something to do with it. They got into favorable 2nd and 3rd down situations all game, and that (along with injuries in the secondary like Jenkins) severely limited our defensive playcalling.
Posted on 6/21/11 at 3:54 pm to Sophandros
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That's because turnovers are generally not predictable or repeatable.
True & no one expected last year's defense to reach '09 turnover numbers but with a more consistant pass rush, the defense could have forced a few more then they did.
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Letting them run on us at will also had something to do with it. They got into favorable 2nd and 3rd down situations all game, and that (along with injuries in the secondary like Jenkins) severely limited our defensive playcalling.
Up until Lynch's late run, the defense had only allowed Seattle 83 yards on the ground. It was Seattle's quick short passes & the deep passes off of play action that did the defense in. Allowing Hasslebeck to stay upright & find receivers downfield didn't help either.
Posted on 6/21/11 at 6:00 pm to Meateye
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Yes we had less turnovers last year but I would like to point out that in our Super Bowl run in 09 we had the #25 ranked defense. Last year we had the #4 ranked defense.
I'm very aware of our defensive rankings from '09 & '10. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make though. Our #4 got shredded albeit we were missing arguably our best defensive player. The fact is we still got shredded by an offense that struggled to find itself all season long.
The defense was much better against the run in '10 then in '09 which led to higher defensive ranking. Due to injuries & a lack of a pass rush, our pass defense numbers were in the middle of the pack.
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