re: Looking at Draft spots post win

So you bypass drafting a qb and build your team elsewhere until its ready to draft a qb?? What lol

We could be the Burrow bengals not the 90s bengals. We could be stroud and the texans and not the browns. Every bad example you give, I can give you a good example.

If you have the chance to draft a good rookie qb you draft one. You don’t wait to stack your team, then draft one. Thats a ridiculous take lol

Your dumbass take is don’t draft a qb because rest of the team isnt good enough lol??? You can draft a good qb- you draft one- not worry oh we dont have an elite DE do we can’t draft a qb. Thats an absolute ridiculous take.

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Who is a good rookie quarterback? You don’t know. Nobody knows!

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So your solution is don’t draft one? What the actual frick?? Nothing is a sure thing but you don’t just stop drafting a qb but cause your scared arse is risk averse.

So bengals drafted burrow then got free agents. Its the exact opposite of what you’re saying.

I never said drafting a QB cures everything. But a good QB sets you up to build around. What would you rather do build around a shitty qb then hope you draft Brady or purdy??? Lol

Do you honestly think NFL teams follow your dumbass strategy. So all these NFL teams that draft qbs early when they’re not stacked are dumbasses? And you’re some genius thats figured out?? Give me a fricking break.

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No it’s not. They went all in and signed guys like Vonn Bell, Hendrickson, Hurst, Apple, Perine, Awuzie, Cappa, Reiff and Hilton. They totally retooled their team in 2021.

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Im dense? You’re a moron. Burrow was drafted in 2020 and then Bengals retooled their team in 2021. They did the exact opposite of what you’re suggesting.

Ok lets point out how dumb you are thinking all these teams are stacked. Keep in mind our saints are 8-8.

Bills before drafting Allen- 9-7
Ravens before Lamar 9-7
Cowboys before Dak- 4-12
Steelers before big ben 6-10
Seahawks before Russel 7-9
Eagles before Hurts 9-7

The only truly stacked team was chiefs before drafting mahomes were 12-4. And Alex Smith was drafted by the niners not chiefs you freaking moron.

Maybe look up shite before posting it. If anything it makes sense for us to draft a qb in the upcoming draft or trade up for one. These records completely disprove your point.

our head-in-the-sand franchise ain't fricking drafting a QB.

hang the idea fricking up!

we can only dream

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Im dense? You’re a moron. Burrow was drafted in 2020 and then Bengals retooled their team in 2021. They did the exact opposite of what you’re suggesting.

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Agreed. They did do the opposite of what I’m suggesting. I’m suggesting we don’t have 30 years of terrible teams having 16 top 10 picks and multiple #1 overall picks over that time in the hopes that one day, one day we don’t draft a David Klinger or Akili Smith, but we find a Joe Burrow. And we basically sign a whole new team the next year because we don’t pay our own players or free agents which is why we are so bad in the first place.
That’s what you are suggesting we do. You want us to draft David Klinger so that one day in 2050 we will eventually get Joe Burrow.

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Bills before drafting Allen- 9-7
Ravens before Lamar 9-7
Cowboys before Dak- 4-12
Steelers before big ben 6-10
Seahawks before Russel 7-9
Eagles before Hurts 9-7

The only truly stacked team was chiefs before drafting mahomes were 12-4. And Alex Smith was drafted by the niners not chiefs you freaking moron.

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If anything it makes sense for us to draft a qb in the upcoming draft or trade up for one. These records completely disprove your point.

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You are the moron. If you have a great record, you don’t need a quarterback. Your team should be able to be competitive and then your young QB can take the team up a level. Our team is getting old and a young QB is going to drown with our aging talent like Cam, Mathieu, Davis, Thomas, Kamara, etc. The players that QB will grow with will be Penning, Olave, Ruiz, Miller, and guys like that who are just okay. And you want to trade our future picks to move up to get a qb, so there’s no talent in the pipeline to help over the next few years. That’s how you kill your future.

I’m advocating that we let guys like Carr, Peat, Thomas, Cam, etc., play out there contract and move on. Draft guys like Joe Alt, Jared Verse, Brock Bowers, Trotter, Jr., or guys like that to build around. There are “great QB classes” every year. Next year people will be saying we need to trade up for JJ McCarthy, Shedure Sanders, Carson Beck or whoever had a good year. You can get one next year or the year after.

Taking a QB this year is woefully shortsighted. Especially since you can’t get rid of Carr next year.

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First you say it’s hard to draft a quarterback and now you’re like there are great QB classes every year lol. No they’re not man. You can’t spin it both ways.

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1) It is hard to find a QB.
2) Every QB class is hyped.

Last year was a “great class” with Young, Stroud, Richardson and Levis. This year is a “great class” with Williams, Daniels and Maye. Next year will be a “great class” with one or two other guys. Truth is, only one of those QBs each year will succeed.

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So let me get this straight you rather draft guys like Joe Alt, Trotter or Brock Bowers because in your eyes they’re less likely to bust than a rookie qb. You act like any rookie qb we draft will be shitty but if you draft any other guys that are not qbs- they can’t be shitty??? Its like you’ll take a risk with a highly touted TE but you won’t with a QB? Like wtf is your draft philosophy???

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I’m not moving up to draft a QB like it solves all my problems. If a top QB fell to the teens, then yes take him. But that’s not happening. So build the team up to give your future QB a chance to succeed.

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Now you backtracked from all your examples. We’re 8-8. How is that any different than the eagles, bills or ravens being 9-7 and drafting a qb??? Did Hurts, Allen or Lamar drown in aging talent.

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This team is old and going to get worse before it gets better. Get your guys like Lane Johnson, Travis Kielce, T. Hill, etc in place before going all in on a QB.

Again, drafting a QB isn’t a magic bullet. You need a QB. But a QB with no offensive line, no WRs, no defense, isn’t going to do anything but get hurt.

Saints aren’t going anywhere next year and a rookie QB gets killed behind this offensive line. That’s why I don’t want a QB this year unless a great one falls to us, which isn’t likely to happen. Now if a guy like Penix or McCarthy or Cam Ward are there in a later round, I’m okay taking one there. But Carr isn’t going anywhere next year and trading future picks for a lottery ticket doesn’t solve our problems.

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I’m not moving up to draft a QB like it solves all my problems. If a top QB fell to the teens, then yes take him. But that’s not happening. So build the team up to give your future QB a chance to succeed.

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You’re literally talking in circles and contradicting yourself. You can’t build a team up if you don’t have a qb to build around. Your philosophy is nonsense. QBs are not overrated, thats why they’re so coveted via draft or free agency. You never addressed all those teams you talked about that took qbs with similar or worse records as the saints. Now you’re complaining about this team being old and want to infuse young talent in it but not invest in a QB, unless it falls in your lap lol. You’re ok taking a QB in later rounds but god forbid drafting one early. News flash for you most starting qbs in the league were drafted in the first round. By the way, every QB is different. A more athletic rc QB doesn’t necessarily get killed behind this line, like you think. The lottery ticket solves a lot of problems if it hits, you’re just so scared everything will be david klinger or Bryce young you rather stick with Carr and mediocrity.

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You’re literally talking in circles and contradicting yourself. You can’t build a team up if you don’t have a qb to build around. Your philosophy is nonsense.

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We disagree on how to build a team. I’m not talking in circles, you just disagree with my strategy. You can have a team of good players without a QB. Hell, look at Tampa Bay right now. Look at the Jets. Look at Cleveland. Good players who need that QB. The other way is to draft Bryce Young or Justin Fields and have no one around them. Are they a good QB on a bad team, or are they bad QBs on bad teams?

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QBs are not overrated, thats why they’re so coveted via draft or free agency.

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I never said QBs are overrated. I said every QB class is regarded as great with 2-4 QBs regarded as great QBs each year, but usually only one hits in the NFL.

I just don’t want to mortgage our future by moving up for a QB and would rather take the slow and steady approach to roster building.

Unfortunately I doubt the Saints go with either of our strategies. So we will never know.

The Saints are in Cap Hell right now. Loomis can only do so much, but they will be hard press to get quality FAs . Carr's contract didn't help

The best thing to do is accumulate as many draft picks as possible

Draft role players. Sure it wouldn't be pretty, but you get cheap young guys. Most can bounce back quickly from injury.

That's what New England did, while they had Tom Brady. They accumulated a lot of draft picks

San Francisco has done it.

Philly is currently doing it.

Look at Detroit, they have additional draft picks.

The Saints may hit on a few.

Regardless, you get rid of the old high price free agents and get the comp picks to accumulate younger players.