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re: Jairus Byrd
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:31 pm to TigerBait1127
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:31 pm to TigerBait1127
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Which is what I said. He's confusing a lack of awareness, which is expected with a year off football, with a lack of speed. He had at least 2 plays where he flew to the ball and made a nice tackle
Did you also notice that we only played the single high safety when Byrd was on the field? You don't think that was a big part to our improved pass rush or run defense, having more men near the LoS?
He had 0 passes completed on him. Calling him terrible in this performance, with 36 snaps is laughably pathetic
Serious question. Were you at the game?
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Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:32 pm to moneyg
It was obvious, to me, that even having lost a step from injury, Byrd was the best safety on the field. Nothing got behind him and he made all the correct plays.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:32 pm to moneyg
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Spiller can run...fast...fast enough to play his position.
So despite not being able to play the position, we shut down the dallas running game and held Weeden to his worst completion % of the season.
Makes sense
You think they would have exploited such a big weakness
This post was edited on 10/6/15 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:34 pm to moneyg
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Serious question. Were you at the game?
Always. Terrace too. Had a fantastic view
He was pumping up the crowd and constantly communicating with his teammates, but you thought he lacked energy?
Crazy how dallas didn't go after him or attempt to exploit the future IR player who's too slow to play in the nfl. Crazy how our defense came to play yesterday
How did those 3:1 odds on him starting the season on the PUP work out? Can't wait for Brees to come back in a few weeks since he's out 2-4 more weeks
This post was edited on 10/6/15 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:39 pm to TigerBait1127
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Always. Terrace too. Had a fantastic view
Then we just strongly disagree.
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Crazy how dallas didn't go after him or attempt to exploit the future IR player who's too slow to play in the nfl
Single High safety
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:43 pm to moneyg
Your link doesn't work
If that is the touchdown
if you think it is on him
Perfect throw and catch, and the corner is supposed to keep him on the inside where the safety help is thay is a cover 2 and a cover 3 beater if you don't get a good jam at the line
Beautiful view of the coverage scheme there. What clear evidence.
Tell me, was that a cover 0, cover 1, cover 2 man/zone, cover 3 man/zone
If that is the touchdown
if you think it is on him Perfect throw and catch, and the corner is supposed to keep him on the inside where the safety help is thay is a cover 2 and a cover 3 beater if you don't get a good jam at the line
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Single High safety
Beautiful view of the coverage scheme there. What clear evidence.
Tell me, was that a cover 0, cover 1, cover 2 man/zone, cover 3 man/zone
This post was edited on 10/6/15 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:46 pm to moneyg
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Guess who is playing over the top on this play...
It's Byrd
You just aren't very smart, are you?
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:47 pm to KarlMalonesFlipPhone
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How about we let him play a few games in the system before we over react. Glad we didn't give up on Spiller after his first game against the Bucs.
Spiller needed 3 "Pre" season games. Then OT happened.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:49 pm to moneyg
I was at the game at had the same thoughts about his performance which was it sucked. He plays 20 yds off the ball for what? Even on 3rd and 4 he is clean out of the play 20 and sometimes 25yds back. His run support was average and his pass coverage was next to poor.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:50 pm to TigerBait1127
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Your link doesn't work
If that is the touchdown
if you think it is on him
Perfect throw and catch, and the corner is supposed to keep him on the inside where the safety help is thay is a cover 2 and a cover 3 beater if you don't get a good jam at the line
I posted two links.
Don't put words in my mouth. I never said that was entirely Byrd's fault on the TD. But, he's lined up several steps outside of the hash. And, he doesn't come close to getting to the play.
Dallas most certainly went after him.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:50 pm to moneyg
Add me to the strongly disagree with you list. I thought he looked fine. He needs a few games before I'll be too hard on his play.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:51 pm to moneyg
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I posted two links.
I updated my post after you fixed them
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Don't put words in my mouth. I never said that was entirely Byrd's fault on the TD. But, he's lined up several steps outside of the hash. And, he doesn't come close to getting to the play.
You didn't offer any insight to the play actually.
Calling a sideline route the safeties fault there on a diving catch is retarded. That beats almost any cover 2 when the wr Gets that seperation
You can't even see the coverage on your other link
This post was edited on 10/6/15 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:53 pm to Froman
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Add me to the strongly disagree with you list. I thought he looked fine
Fair enough.
I hope I end up being wrong. But, I'm 99% sure that if what we saw on Sunday night is what we will get out of him, I'll be right.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:58 pm to moneyg
I though he looked more timid than slow. More reason to think that his being held out was a metal issue, not physical. Looks like he is afraid of another injury. Hopefully he will loosen up after a few games and get back to playing at a good level.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:58 pm to TigerBait1127
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You didn't offer any insight to the play actually.
Calling a sideline route the safeties fault there on a diving catch is retarded. That beats almost any cover 2 when the wr Gets that seperation
You can't even see the coverage on your other link
You can see 10 within 5 yard of the LOS. And, if you were at the game, you saw that formation a lot with Byrd in the game. Regardless, the point is that they most certainly threw at him (And, Browner/Breaux). And, most importantly, if you watch him on those plays, he's not moving very well.
I'm absolutely willing to let you stand on your opinion that Byrd played well. Unlike you, a opinion counter to mine doesn't hurt my feelings. We'll see who ends up being right. Honestly, I hope it's you.
But, me and the people I was with were commenting on how poorly he was moving out there. I think you opinion is very far from the consensus.
This post was edited on 10/6/15 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:59 pm to Mr. Wayne
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I though he looked more timid than slow
...he looked both to me...but maybe you are right. I hope so.
This post was edited on 10/6/15 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:02 pm to moneyg
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Single High safety
Just looked at this one on the coach's film angle. Second safety comes up in coverage.
Free release off the LoS by Browner. Doesn't touch him or slow him down on a playaction pass
I guess you could say he got there late, put that combination + not knowing the assignments makes that a complete guess that can't be backed up
It certainly isnt designed for his over the top coverage, but that doesn't mean it isn't a part of his zone. Hell, he may have had TE responsibility on the play
This post was edited on 10/6/15 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:06 pm to moneyg
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absolutely willing to let you stand on your opinion that Byrd played well.
That isn't what I said actually. I said he played well given his circumstances. I expect improvement from him as he gets acclimated to the game again
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Unlike you, a opinion counter to mine doesn't hurt my feelings
Sorry for asking you to back up your opinions.
Feel free to read up on different types of safety coverages if you think that TD is on Byrd at all. It is a low % throw, especially if the corner gets a good bump on him. That is why you try and take away the middle of the field where witten can eat up.
Our coverage over the middle was pretty good outside of the penalties
This post was edited on 10/6/15 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:07 pm to moneyg
He was horrible I agree - hopefully he'll improve in the coming weeks.
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