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re: Jairus Byrd
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:09 pm to TigerBait1127
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:09 pm to TigerBait1127
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Free release off the LoS by Browner. Doesn't touch him or slow him down on a playaction pass
I guess you could say he got there late, put that combination + not knowing the assignments makes that a complete guess that can't be backed up
Again, I'm responding to your absurd statement that Dallas didn't go after him.
But, if you want to try and get something meaningful about Byrd on those plays, look at how he is moving and how far away he is from being in either of those plays. Browner gets toasted. Make no mistake about it.
I stand by my statement that he wasn't moving well at all out there. I get that you don't want to agree with that.
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Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:11 pm to TigerBait1127
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That isn't what I said actually. I said he played well given his circumstances.
This is what you said...
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He played well given his snaps, was pumping up the crowd, and I believe he blew up a run play early on for a loss or no gain. He looked fast on that play.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:11 pm to moneyg
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Again, I'm responding to your absurd statement that Dallas didn't go after him.
They threw away from him the entire game. They did not go aft we him
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But, if you want to try and get something meaningful about Byrd on those plays, look at how he is moving and how far away he is from being in either of those plays
Of course he wasn't near the TD play. It wasn't his responsibility. That was as a simple coverage design based off both safeties
You can't possibly know what happened on the other pass, except that Browner allowed a clean release on a playaction pass
This post was edited on 10/6/15 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:13 pm to TigerBait1127
Considering that half this board claimed he would never play another snap for the saints, I can't believe anyone is complaining about his performance his first game back in week four.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:16 pm to Hoodoo Man
This cat was one of them
I have no problem with criticism of Byrd. I hated the deep safety crap we did with him last year, and he has a lot to prove.
But saints fans should know what terrible safety play is. That sure as hell was not it.
The real key to our defense will be missed tackles. Lewis and Byrd are going to allow us to more, which is one of the reasons seeing a single safety was a big, big deal. It gives ryan freedom to create confusion in the box and near coverage
I have no problem with criticism of Byrd. I hated the deep safety crap we did with him last year, and he has a lot to prove.
But saints fans should know what terrible safety play is. That sure as hell was not it.
The real key to our defense will be missed tackles. Lewis and Byrd are going to allow us to more, which is one of the reasons seeing a single safety was a big, big deal. It gives ryan freedom to create confusion in the box and near coverage
This post was edited on 10/6/15 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:22 pm to TigerBait1127
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They threw away from him the entire game. They did not go aft we him
At no point did they look at Jairus Byrd and decide that they couldn't throw his way. That's ridiculous. No way you actually believe that.
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Of course he wasn't near the TD play. It wasn't his responsibility
He's fricking playing over the top, outside of the hashmarks, and he's not in man coverage. He's absolutely part of his responsibility on that thread. Now, I'm not saying that Breaux didn't make that play unreasonably tough for him to make or that Byrd SHOULD have been able to make that play...but he's nowhere close.
I think both of those plays support my assertion that he's not moving well...at all.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:23 pm to TigerBait1127
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I hated the deep safety crap we did with him last year
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which is one of the reasons seeing a single safety was a big, big deal. It gives ryan freedom to create confusion in the box and near coverage
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:25 pm to moneyg
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At no point did they look at Jairus Byrd and decide that they couldn't throw his way. That's ridiculous. No way you actually believe that.
Not really what throwing away from someone means, but okay.
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He's fricking playing over the top, outside of the hashmarks, and he's not in man coverage. He's absolutely part of his responsibility on that thread. Now, I'm not saying that Breaux didn't make that play unreasonably tough for him to make or that Byrd SHOULD have been able to make that play...but he's nowhere close.
I never said that he was in man coverage on the touchdown. His job was to prevent a post route and offer inside help and crash down on anything underneath. Both safeties on that play have similar responsibilities. You let the team throw a low % pass there
That's also the reason PFF didn't give him a negative grade. TD is a big time red play
Hes lined up with the RT on the play. It is mirror coverage for both safeties and corners.
This post was edited on 10/6/15 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:31 pm to moneyg
What is funny about that? Use your words and try to throw in a football term or two
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:31 pm to moneyg
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I didn't see too much talk about his performance Sunday night. I"m sure I missed it.
But, being at the game and watching him, he's terrible. When they play him as the single high safety (even 25 yards off the LOS), he still can't get to the ball. He looks extremely slow and on top of that, he doesn't seem to play with any energy.
I predict that the team will put him on IR within a few weeks.
You're nuts. His closing speed was actually noticeably good and should only get better as he gets healthier and gets more game action. PFF actually gave him a positive grade. He made 4 tackles although he played very limited snaps. Try again.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:39 pm to TigerBait1127
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What is funny about that? Use your words and try to throw in a football term or two
Byrd was playing very deep Sunday night...just like last year. I don't have access to the coaches film, but from the dome, it seemed like he was 20+ yards back a lot.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:40 pm to clooneyisgod
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You're nuts. His closing speed was actually noticeably good and should only get better as he gets healthier and gets more game action. PFF actually gave him a positive grade. He made 4 tackles although he played very limited snaps. Try again.
He made 2 tackles...and no plays int the passing game which is where my criticism really apply.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:44 pm to moneyg
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. I don't have access to the coaches film, but from the dome, it seemed like he was 20+ yards back a lot.
You have access if you're a season ticket holder. It is a pretty awesome feature and you can select the actual play
He did play some single deep safety, which is a different than last year when both he and vaccaro were playing 25 yards back last year
We had a play vs atlanta where Byrd was literally 40 yards off the LoS
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:48 pm to moneyg
You saying he made "no plays in the passing game" is just your own weird subjective analysis though. What does that even mean? That he didn't have an interception? Pretty tough and ridiculous standard if so.
So you're ignoring any plays or tackles or stops he made against the run? Why? Isn't that also part of his job?
Again, he received a positive PFF grade after not playing in a football game and barely practicing at all for a full year. I'd say that's pretty damn good. I expect him to continue to get better and become more impactful as the season goes on, assuming he remains healthy.
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the passing game which is where my criticism really apply.
So you're ignoring any plays or tackles or stops he made against the run? Why? Isn't that also part of his job?
Again, he received a positive PFF grade after not playing in a football game and barely practicing at all for a full year. I'd say that's pretty damn good. I expect him to continue to get better and become more impactful as the season goes on, assuming he remains healthy.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:48 pm to TigerBait1127
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You have access if you're a season ticket holder
how/where?
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:50 pm to clooneyisgod
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You saying he made "no plays in the passing game" is just your own weird subjective analysis though. What does that even mean? That he didn't have an interception?
No interceptions or passes defended.
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So you're ignoring any plays or tackles or stops he made against the run?
I'm not ignoring it. I just didn't address it. And, he's a free safety...who was paid a ton of money because of his ability to make plays in the passing game. Certainly, you realize this, right?
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:00 pm to moneyg
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No interceptions or passes defended.
You've been able to show 2 plays where you (wrongly IMO) may have been able to make a play on the ball or get closer
He had zero passes completed on him. That is what i mean by throwing away from him. His opportunities weren't there in the role he was assigned yesterday. That is why calling him terrible is just insanity to me
That run stop was a great play. We haven't seen that fearlessness fro. A safety in the run game in some time, but still only 1 play
This post was edited on 10/6/15 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:01 pm to moneyg
What did he have...3 days of practice for his first game in I don't know how long?
Healthy or not almost any pro would be rusty and timid to a degree.
How quickly, how much and if he improves is what we don't know but will find out in the coming weeks. I just don't get the Harvard type debate on a first game back though.
Healthy or not almost any pro would be rusty and timid to a degree.
How quickly, how much and if he improves is what we don't know but will find out in the coming weeks. I just don't get the Harvard type debate on a first game back though.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 5:13 pm to moneyg
Posted on 10/6/15 at 6:09 pm to PokerPlayingTiger
CSP is about as believable talking about the Saints as Kenny Stills is talking 'bout women.
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