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It's really unfair that Hank Baskett is a "goat" IMHO
Posted on 2/12/10 at 9:06 pm
Posted on 2/12/10 at 9:06 pm
If you look at the replay, Reis actually had a worse "miss" on the onside kick than Baskett.
I mean Reis was trailing and knew exactly what was coming. It bounced off of Baskett's helmet/hand and right to Reis, who muffed it himself.
Now I know that Chris ultimately wound up with it, but if he hadn't I have the feeling that he wouldn't be considered a huge goat like Baskett is.
I guess I don't have a really huge point here - just that it kind of seems unfair as to who is labeled a "goat" sometimes. Norwood misses a 47 yard fieldgoal on a torn up grass field and is a "goat". Baskett misses a tough catch on a surprise kick with 5 Saints bearing down on him and he's a "goat". Reis muffs the same kick in a worse fashion, but since he found a way to steal the ball back from behind his hamstring he is not a "goat" but a special teams "hero". Such a thin line.
I mean Reis was trailing and knew exactly what was coming. It bounced off of Baskett's helmet/hand and right to Reis, who muffed it himself.
Now I know that Chris ultimately wound up with it, but if he hadn't I have the feeling that he wouldn't be considered a huge goat like Baskett is.
I guess I don't have a really huge point here - just that it kind of seems unfair as to who is labeled a "goat" sometimes. Norwood misses a 47 yard fieldgoal on a torn up grass field and is a "goat". Baskett misses a tough catch on a surprise kick with 5 Saints bearing down on him and he's a "goat". Reis muffs the same kick in a worse fashion, but since he found a way to steal the ball back from behind his hamstring he is not a "goat" but a special teams "hero". Such a thin line.
This post was edited on 2/12/10 at 9:07 pm
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Posted on 2/12/10 at 9:07 pm to AlejandroInHouston
he still gets to go home and nail Kendra
Posted on 2/12/10 at 9:09 pm to St Augustine
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he still gets to go home and nail Kendra
overrated
Posted on 2/12/10 at 9:09 pm to AlejandroInHouston
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I mean Reis was trailing and knew exactly what was coming. It bounced off of Baskett's helmet/hand and right to Reis, who muffed it himself.
There's no way he could have known it would bounce off of Baskett. From the design of the play and Roby flying past Baskett, I'm guessing that it was intended for Roby to clear him out, which would have left the ball right where Baskett was. Instead it bounced back up field.
He missed, sure, but it's easy to be forgiven when he ended up with the ball anyway.
I don't see Baskett as a goat though. Colts fans looking for a reason they lost to the Saints will call him a goat. It doesn't help that he's supposed to have good hands, but I don't think hands had anything to do with it. I think he knew Roby was about to kill him and he ducked
Posted on 2/12/10 at 9:12 pm to ndtiger
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overrated
true but its better than being a goat
Posted on 2/12/10 at 9:14 pm to St Augustine
Baskett will get a job elswhere.
Posted on 2/12/10 at 9:14 pm to Eternalmajin
Considering Basket is a wide receiver (even though I use that term loosely) and his whole job is to catch and to hold on to balls thrown at him, yeah, he is a pretty big goat for not hanging on to that thing.
Posted on 2/12/10 at 9:15 pm to buzwa
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Considering Basket is a wide receiver (even though I use that term loosely) and his whole job is to catch and to hold on to balls thrown at him, yeah, he is a pretty big goat for not hanging on to that thing.
He wasn't expecting the ball to bounce how it did. That onside kick was fantastic.
Posted on 2/12/10 at 9:21 pm to Eternalmajin
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There's no way he could have known it would bounce off of Baskett. From the design of the play and Roby flying past Baskett, I'm guessing that it was intended for Roby to clear him out, which would have left the ball right where Baskett was. Instead it bounced back up field.
Unlike Baskett, Reis got an incredible bounce - slow motion right into his bread basket.
Again I'm not dogging Reis - he came away with the ball and that's what matters. He's by no means a goat - his recovery is up there in Saints lore.
It just shows how thin the margin of error can be sometimes.
This post was edited on 2/12/10 at 9:21 pm
Posted on 2/12/10 at 9:24 pm to AlejandroInHouston
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Unlike Baskett, Reis got an incredible bounce - slow motion right into his bread basket.
the ball bounced right to baskett...you can't ask for a better bound than what he got
Posted on 2/12/10 at 9:25 pm to adammwilson
Explain the term goat please... Tia
Posted on 2/12/10 at 9:28 pm to jmelancon1
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the ball bounced right to baskett...you can't ask for a better bound than what he got
it hit in front of him then it went towards the saints. It was a great onside kick but it did take a weird bounce.
Posted on 2/12/10 at 9:32 pm to adammwilson
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It was a great onside kick but it did take a weird bounce.
it did take a weird bounce, but it still went right to the dude...i don't see how you say reis got a better bounce than baskett..sorry
Posted on 2/12/10 at 9:36 pm to jmelancon1
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i don't see how you say reis got a better bounce than baskett..sorry
i didn't say that.
Posted on 2/12/10 at 9:39 pm to AlejandroInHouston
Trade him.
Posted on 2/12/10 at 9:40 pm to TuDog
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Trade him
no 1 will trade for a guy they know is going to be released.
Posted on 2/12/10 at 9:41 pm to AlejandroInHouston
Looked like Baskett was low to the ground and had the ball jump and hit him in the helmet.
Had he not been so low, the ball may have bounced right into his hands...or not, since Hank prolly woulda had his head knocked off by Roby.
Had he not been so low, the ball may have bounced right into his hands...or not, since Hank prolly woulda had his head knocked off by Roby.
Posted on 2/12/10 at 9:42 pm to adammwilson
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i didn't say that.
i know you didn't say that, i was referring to my other post
Posted on 2/12/10 at 9:45 pm to adammwilson
i really don't think it was that much of a "surprise".
I would be willing to bet that they knew it was coming.
but just because you know it's coming does not mean you are going to stop it.
Matter of fact it seems like on side kicks work more then half the time.
I would be willing to bet that they knew it was coming.
but just because you know it's coming does not mean you are going to stop it.
Matter of fact it seems like on side kicks work more then half the time.
Posted on 2/12/10 at 9:53 pm to dreaux
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Matter of fact it seems like on side kicks work more then half the time.
Since 2000, slightly more than 60 percent of unexpected onside kicks have been recovered by the kicking team.
LINK
I will say, Reis may have missed the bounce but he more than made up for it in the strength it took to keep possession. In the slow mo, it looks like it's trapped against his hip. I can't even imagine what it took to not lose it in the scrum.
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