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Is there a defensive coverage Drew Brees can't succeed against?
Posted on 5/21/17 at 9:40 am
Posted on 5/21/17 at 9:40 am
The short answer is no.
By NICK UNDERHILL | nunderhill@theadvocate.com May 20, 2017 - 9:42 am
theadvocate.com
By NICK UNDERHILL | nunderhill@theadvocate.com May 20, 2017 - 9:42 am
theadvocate.com
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Patrick Peterson thought he knew how to solve Drew Brees. Not permanently, or even for a quarter. Just for a moment here and there.
When the Cardinals faced the Saints last season, Brees was coming off a pair of games in which he threw a combined six interceptions. People were concerned. Was Brees hurt? Was he suddenly fading? Naturally, when the Arizona cornerback spoke with New Orleans media before the game, the conversation centered on what was going on with the Saints' offense.
Some of those interceptions were squarely on Brees. He had a few passes jumped and was off the mark on others, but Peterson didn't overreact. He explained that it looked like the Saints’ receivers let the quarterback down on a couple of plays and. And Brees always bounces back, Peterson noted.
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That was all fine and good, but at the end of the conversation, a reporter asked Peterson if there was any way to fool Brees. He decided to share a theory.
“He does not see that very often in defenses. Quarter-quarter-half is definitely that. Not only does it confuse him, but it can confuse a lot of quarterbacks because it’s a great changeup call,” Peterson said. “You just never know which side is going to that quarter side, which side is going to be the Cover 2 side because it all looks the same.
“I believe that is one of the coverages that I’ve seen him have a couple issues with throughout the season. Can’t show it to him too many times. You always have to give him a changeup.”
Basically, the coverage is a combination of Cover 2 and 4, where one half of the field is patrolled by one deep player, as in Cover 2, while the other half is split between two players, usually a safety and cornerback, as in Cover 4. Teams don’t use it often, so it can serve as a nice change of pace.
There was only one problem with Peterson’s assessment heading into Week 15: He was wrong. Brees eats up the coverage. By the time the season ended, Brees had completed 73 percent of his 55 attempts against the coverage for 483 yards with one touchdown. His 107.7 quarterback rating against quarter-quarter-half was the highest he posted against any look.
If there are clips of the coverage fooling him, they’re well hidden. In fact, if there’s tape of him being fooled by any coverage, it’s buried beneath success. Brees spent last season moving the ball well against almost every coverage he saw. He was an equal opportunist, dicing up Cover 1 (91.8 rating), Cover 2 (102.2), Cover 4 (93.7) and various goal-line and red-zone coverages (110.7) throughout the season, according to statistics provided by Pro Football Focus.
Brees attempted 95 other passes against coveages labled as “other” for a rating of 105.2
That leaves the question: Is there a defensive look that gives Brees problems — or at least against which he doesn't succeed at such high levels?
The easy (and probably correct) answer is no.
When a player is as talented as Brees, there’s danger in making too much of a perceived issue. These narratives are usually manufactured and quickly debunked on the field.
That’s probably the case here. But there is one coverage not mentioned above — Cover 3. Brees posted an 83.7 quarterback rating against it, and the reason that number is so low is because Pro Football Focus has him throwing seven interceptions against it.
The overall interception figure leads all looks by a wide margin. Brees threw one interception against a prevent defense, three against Cover 1, two against Cover 2, and another two against quarters (Cover 4) coverage.
What does this all mean? Is this sign of a player who is struggling against a specific look? Is this the real coverage that gives Brees fits?
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Probably not.
The first thing to consider is that Brees completed 72 percent of his 188 passes against Cover 3 last season. That means 3.7 percent of his passes against the coverage were intercepted. That’s just a tick higher than the 3.6 percent of his intercepted throws against 55 Cover 2 looks, but well below the 1.6 and 1.9 percent he posted against Cover 1 and quarters, respectively.
The next part of the equation is adding context. Three of Brees' interceptions came during his rough two-week stretch against Detroit and Tampa Bay, one of which was the result of Detroit safety Glover Quinn sitting on an out-and-up route to Brandin Cooks on a play the team ran twice earlier in the season. Sometimes all you can do is throw your hands up and commend an opponent for his extensive film study.
None of that excuses the errors, but it’s undeniable something was off with Brees, the offense or both during those two games. Another interception came as the result of middle pressure earlier in the season, putting at least partial blame on the offensive line.
The other three plays were the result of Falcons linebacker Deion Jones jumping a route, Brees soaring a pass to Cooks against Carolina, and a well-contested pass to Michael Thomas that Atlanta’s Jalen Collins intercepted in the end zone of a Week 17 game. No excuses on any of those. Everyone gets beat now and then.
It’s also worth considering his success against Cover 3 outside of those seven passes. Not only was his completion percentage high, he also racked up 1,583 yards against it, for an average of more than 11 yards per completion. The only coverages against which he averaged a higher return were Cover 1 (12.4 yards per completion) and quarter-quarter-half (12.3).
Peterson might be right. There could be a couple plays out there where Brees got fooled by a specific coverage. Just like there might be times when he has issues with Cover 3. That stuff happens to every quarterback. What this seems like, more than anything, is the result of a poor stretch for the offense settling in at the same place.
As Peterson said, Brees has a way of bouncing back. He noted at the end of the call he hoped the return wouldn't happen against the Cardinals. He didn’t get his wish. The quarterback completed 77 percent of his passes for 389 yards with four touchdowns in a 48-41 victory.
At some point, Brees will start to fade a little bit, and these negative trends will start sticking. That hasn’t happened yet. Until it does, you can bet he'll continue to find a way to bounce back and silence all criticisms on the field.
Posted on 5/21/17 at 10:07 am to Mrwhodat
he def seems to struggle more playing against defenses who have an open air stadium
Posted on 5/21/17 at 10:16 am to Brandincookem
Your correct. And a troll/alter.
Posted on 5/21/17 at 10:41 am to Brandincookem
Tampa 2 would seem to be a defense that would play right in to Brees' strength. It prevents the long ball but allows for short quick throws. It's more of a prevent defense.
Posted on 5/21/17 at 11:01 am to hellsu
Tampa 2 is just a hybrid of Cover 2 and Cover 3. Cover 3, Quarters, and Cover 6 (half cover 2, half quarters) are all more of a prevent defense.
Tampa 2 is only slightly less effective against short throws as opposed to Cover 2. Both choke the middle and cover well enough deep, only leaving small gaps between the corner and safety (with Cover 2 leaving a gap beteween the safeties and Tampa 2 leaving a gap between the linebackers).
Tampa 2 is only slightly less effective against short throws as opposed to Cover 2. Both choke the middle and cover well enough deep, only leaving small gaps between the corner and safety (with Cover 2 leaving a gap beteween the safeties and Tampa 2 leaving a gap between the linebackers).
Posted on 5/21/17 at 11:14 am to bonethug0108
There is also a tendency to pull the mlb back into a deeper than normal coverage leaving the middle exposed for a crossing receiver or an unaccounted for rb.
Posted on 5/21/17 at 11:23 am to bonethug0108
a couple of years ago when we played the Browns at home, when Ryan was their DC, the defense they rolled out, where basically only the NT had his hand on the ground, he had one of his worst games... not sure what that D would fall under....
Posted on 5/21/17 at 11:27 am to Mrwhodat
Whichever D Baltimore runs.
Posted on 5/21/17 at 11:27 am to chRxis
I think he called it the Amoeba defense. It wasn't really one coverage, just that everything was super disguised.
We should have been running more that game. Make them pay for standing, even if you don't gain yards at first.
We should have been running more that game. Make them pay for standing, even if you don't gain yards at first.
Posted on 5/21/17 at 11:31 am to hellsu
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There is also a tendency to pull the mlb back into a deeper than normal coverage leaving the middle exposed for a crossing receiver or an unaccounted for rb.
Yup, I noted that. But that really isn't prevent. Prevent is 4 or more guys playing deep. Tampa 2 is more like 2 and a half deep (the MLB drops deep but not as deep as a true Cover 3).
Brees actually used to struggle against Tampa 2. Needless to say he has figured it out the last 7-8 years.
This post was edited on 5/21/17 at 11:32 am
Posted on 5/21/17 at 11:38 am to bonethug0108
Likely difficult for Brees to find a seam being barely 6ft. Guess it helps to throw up off your toes.
Posted on 5/21/17 at 12:35 pm to Mrwhodat
Underhill is spot on. Nice to read some facts backed up by stats as opposed to the usual opinionated garbage the NO/BR media writes up about Brees.
Posted on 5/21/17 at 12:44 pm to CapperVin
Its called playing on the road. Every QB's stats dip on the road. Brees has had an outoor QB rating of 96 since coming to New Orleans.
Cool find though mr whodat
Cool find though mr whodat
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 1:08 am
Posted on 5/21/17 at 2:43 pm to Mrwhodat
drew only struggles when he has to move, if he gets good protection from the "o" line, something he hasn't had much of lately, then he is unstoppable (assuming receivers don't drop balls).
drew struggles when the o line struggles, when the o line is solid drew is all pro
drew struggles when the o line struggles, when the o line is solid drew is all pro
This post was edited on 5/21/17 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 5/21/17 at 2:51 pm to Mrwhodat
The only thing that rustles Bree's is pressure up the middle with 2 Defensive Tackles in his face where he can't step into the throw.
Posted on 5/21/17 at 2:53 pm to keakar
Drew is a master at sensing outside pressure and stepping up in the pocket. He like most QBs, struggle
with pressure up the middle.
with pressure up the middle.
Posted on 5/21/17 at 2:56 pm to Drillingman
Drillingman you beat me to it.
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