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Interior of the Oline Pass Blocking: Horrible or Worst Ever?
Posted on 12/22/14 at 11:21 pm
Posted on 12/22/14 at 11:21 pm
Not giving a good option here. Some PFF numbers(not gospel but good for ball parking):
Guards/Centers
Goodwin- -11.6 overall, -13.5 pass blocking, and +1.3 run blocking
Evans- -8.7 ovr, -19.4 pb, and +8.3 rb
Grubbs- -1.9 ovr, -2.1 pb, and -2.2 rb
Lelito- -0.5 ovr, -2.4 pb, and +2.0 rb
meanwhile:
Tackles
Strief- 6.3 ovr, 6.9 pb, and -2.2 rb
Armstead- 6 ovr, 1.6 pb, and 3.9 rb
Harris- -18.6 ovr, -11.9 pb, and -7.4 rb
So while no one did too bad(or good) run blocking(and Evans actually excelled there), the interior was absolutely abused in pass blocking(especially Evans with an absolutely ludicrous score).
And we have absolutely no depth at tackle. Strief and Armstead are really solid but Harris is absolutely atrocious.
To put things in perspective, we had 3 players with a higher than 1 pass blocking score, and one of them was Ingram(47 pass blocks, and he was actually pretty good at it; being that he has shown he can catch, run, and block we should try to resign him). The other two, as shown, were Strief and Armstead.
Run blocking was better, with 6 guys above 1(Evans, Meachem, Armstead, Graham, Lelito, and Goodwin). Evans was the best at it, but it doesn't make up for his pass blocking being as bad as it was. Graham actually finished ahead of Lelito and Goodwin run blocking(201 snaps).
On the bad side, Harris was the worst, followed by Lorig, Watson, and Hill. All 4 finished with -3.1 or worse.
While the run blocking inside was pretty good, Evans and Goodwin alone combined for a -32.9 rating, with Grubbs and Lelito being slightly negative in the -2 range(-37.4 all combined).
Maybe Lelito can step into the guard or center spot, but we need to find at least one more player in the middle or we will be doomed to repeat this year.
Guards/Centers
Goodwin- -11.6 overall, -13.5 pass blocking, and +1.3 run blocking
Evans- -8.7 ovr, -19.4 pb, and +8.3 rb
Grubbs- -1.9 ovr, -2.1 pb, and -2.2 rb
Lelito- -0.5 ovr, -2.4 pb, and +2.0 rb
meanwhile:
Tackles
Strief- 6.3 ovr, 6.9 pb, and -2.2 rb
Armstead- 6 ovr, 1.6 pb, and 3.9 rb
Harris- -18.6 ovr, -11.9 pb, and -7.4 rb
So while no one did too bad(or good) run blocking(and Evans actually excelled there), the interior was absolutely abused in pass blocking(especially Evans with an absolutely ludicrous score).
And we have absolutely no depth at tackle. Strief and Armstead are really solid but Harris is absolutely atrocious.
To put things in perspective, we had 3 players with a higher than 1 pass blocking score, and one of them was Ingram(47 pass blocks, and he was actually pretty good at it; being that he has shown he can catch, run, and block we should try to resign him). The other two, as shown, were Strief and Armstead.
Run blocking was better, with 6 guys above 1(Evans, Meachem, Armstead, Graham, Lelito, and Goodwin). Evans was the best at it, but it doesn't make up for his pass blocking being as bad as it was. Graham actually finished ahead of Lelito and Goodwin run blocking(201 snaps).
On the bad side, Harris was the worst, followed by Lorig, Watson, and Hill. All 4 finished with -3.1 or worse.
While the run blocking inside was pretty good, Evans and Goodwin alone combined for a -32.9 rating, with Grubbs and Lelito being slightly negative in the -2 range(-37.4 all combined).
Maybe Lelito can step into the guard or center spot, but we need to find at least one more player in the middle or we will be doomed to repeat this year.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 11:26 pm to bonethug0108
Evans is washed up and Grubbs has been overrated since we signed him. he was never a pro bowl player in new orleans.
as far as tackle depth, that's what happens when you draft players like Jones, Tiller, Rooks, & Brown and miss on all of them.
as far as tackle depth, that's what happens when you draft players like Jones, Tiller, Rooks, & Brown and miss on all of them.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 11:32 pm to IPlayedGreatTonight
Yeah people always try to say we ALWAYS draft Oline late well. We don't. You can NOT look at 2 late gems(4th-7th; Evans and Strief) and one problem player with a first round grade falling(Nicks) and ignore the litany of bad late picks.
Armstead is looking good, but he was also a 3rd rounder not a late pick.
I will say Grubbs has looked better this year(not good, just better than before which is still below average). He isn't worth what he's making, but cap wise we may have to keep him one more year.
Evans should be gone. He and Goodwin fricked us bad this year with constant pressure up the middle.
Armstead is looking good, but he was also a 3rd rounder not a late pick.
I will say Grubbs has looked better this year(not good, just better than before which is still below average). He isn't worth what he's making, but cap wise we may have to keep him one more year.
Evans should be gone. He and Goodwin fricked us bad this year with constant pressure up the middle.
This post was edited on 12/22/14 at 11:34 pm
Posted on 12/22/14 at 11:46 pm to bonethug0108
quote:Holy sweet lord in heaven
Harris- -18.6 ovr, -11.9 pb, and -7.4 rb
Posted on 12/23/14 at 8:53 am to bonethug0108
how much of Harris' #s come from the one game vs Atlanta?
Posted on 12/23/14 at 8:57 am to bonethug0108
Bryce Harris is soooooooooo bad
Posted on 12/23/14 at 9:12 am to Rickety Cricket
I hope we draft 2 olineman(guard and a center) within the 1st 4 rounds.
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