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If we take an Offensive lineman in the 1st......
Posted on 3/17/15 at 10:09 pm
Posted on 3/17/15 at 10:09 pm
It will be out of character for Sean. He's never taken an OL in the first. He's only picked one as high as the second, Charles Brown.
We've either been lucky or damn good at evaluating those linemen.
We've either been lucky or damn good at evaluating those linemen.
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Posted on 3/17/15 at 10:17 pm to mojoey
La'el Collins 
Posted on 3/17/15 at 10:25 pm to mojoey
i don't think it will be a guard...LB or WR, imo
Posted on 3/17/15 at 10:27 pm to mojoey
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He's never taken an OL in the first.
and it showed last year.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 10:32 pm to mojoey
He's never needed to.
We used to be.
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We've either been lucky or damn good at evaluating those linemen.
We used to be.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 10:35 pm to mojoey
Also 31 would be the perfect spot to grab a guard like A.J. Cann if we don't grab Scherff or Collins earlier.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 10:37 pm to PurpleDrank18
ya, I like the 31 or 44 pick for a guard.
...don't think Scherff will be there at #13.
Browns got Joel Bitonio at #35 last year
...don't think Scherff will be there at #13.
Browns got Joel Bitonio at #35 last year
This post was edited on 3/17/15 at 10:38 pm
Posted on 3/17/15 at 10:38 pm to mojoey
We've mostly had stable lines, limiting the necessity for Payton to do it. Strief has had RT locked up for 8 seasons. Evans has been an overall superb RG for 9 seasons. Nicks dominated at LG for 4 years, then we replaced him with Grubbs who gave us a solid 3 years. Bushrod was a good enough LT from 2009-2012 after replacing the very solid Jammal Brown whom Payton had inherited.
All of that leaves center as the only position where we've had some serious turmoil, but you typically see at most 1 center drafted in the first round. It's not that Payton is averse to drafting a first round OL, it's just that he hasn't had to. He's not going to force it if he isn't in love with a guard available at 13 or 31, but I'd bet that he'll be ecstatic if Scherff is available at 13.
All of that leaves center as the only position where we've had some serious turmoil, but you typically see at most 1 center drafted in the first round. It's not that Payton is averse to drafting a first round OL, it's just that he hasn't had to. He's not going to force it if he isn't in love with a guard available at 13 or 31, but I'd bet that he'll be ecstatic if Scherff is available at 13.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 10:40 pm to mojoey
By that logic, that means the pick will have to be one of the WRs, Gordon/Gurley, Shelton, or Waynes.
After all, SP has only drafted DBs (3) RBs (2), WRs, (2), DT (1), or DE (1) in his career.
After all, SP has only drafted DBs (3) RBs (2), WRs, (2), DT (1), or DE (1) in his career.
This post was edited on 3/17/15 at 10:41 pm
Posted on 3/17/15 at 10:42 pm to mojoey
I am fairly sure they will wither take a pass rusher or a WR at 13... I agree with you. Taking an OL in the top 20 is not their style.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 10:43 pm to mojoey
Why is everything about sean payton and the past? Loomis and a bunch of assistants and scouts have more input that whatever Payton dreams up. This team is obviously under construction and no telling what is to come. Only two guys on the team are untradeable. All bets are off
Posted on 3/17/15 at 10:46 pm to OchoGregO
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Loomis and a bunch of assistants and scouts have more input that whatever Payton dreams up.
I doubt that.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 10:54 pm to Weekend Warrior79
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By that logic, that means the pick will have to be one of the WRs, Gordon/Gurley, Shelton, or Waynes.
After all, SP has only drafted DBs (3) RBs (2), WRs, (2), DT (1), or DE (1) in his career
Posted on 3/17/15 at 10:55 pm to PurpleDrank18
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Also 31 would be the perfect spot to grab a guard like A.J. Cann if we don't grab Scherff or Collins earlier.
Lol, Cann is garbage and not a 1st round OG.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 11:07 pm to mojoey
I 100% agree. I see us grabbing Ali Marpet in the 2nd round. He is a pure beast at Guard.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 11:27 pm to FootballNostradamus
Ok. I disagree, but that's cool. I think he'd be a bit of a reach at 31, but not an extreme one, and a solid pick 44.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 11:38 pm to FootballNostradamus
what about the guard from Duke... Tomlinson?
he looked pretty tough at the Senior Bowl. Usually D-lineman tee off on the O-line during the week. I'm not real sure why but it seems like it happens just about every year.
for instance, Danny Shelton had his way with the North O-line in his 1-on-1's
but the one guy who held his own against him was Tomlinson
could any of you guys see us taking him in the 2nd round?
I think we'll take some one off all of our radars in the 1st round. That's usually what happens. Like Vaccaro for example. A few people had us taking Cooks last year though I think.
he looked pretty tough at the Senior Bowl. Usually D-lineman tee off on the O-line during the week. I'm not real sure why but it seems like it happens just about every year.
for instance, Danny Shelton had his way with the North O-line in his 1-on-1's
but the one guy who held his own against him was Tomlinson
could any of you guys see us taking him in the 2nd round?
I think we'll take some one off all of our radars in the 1st round. That's usually what happens. Like Vaccaro for example. A few people had us taking Cooks last year though I think.
This post was edited on 3/17/15 at 11:42 pm
Posted on 3/17/15 at 11:56 pm to LooseCannon22282
I like Tomlinson a lot...that's the better value later on, imo.
Take an impact LB or WR at #13, then get Tomlinson if possible
Take an impact LB or WR at #13, then get Tomlinson if possible
Posted on 3/17/15 at 11:58 pm to LooseCannon22282
I do like Tomlinson. I like Cann a little more but I'd be fine with either one. We'd have to take either by 44 tho or were not getting them.
Posted on 3/18/15 at 12:05 am to mojoey
We brought in Ireland to help change the way we've been approaching the draft. His first year here and we have more picks than we've had since 2002. I think the type of player we look at may change too.
As for positions, year to year that changes based on BPA when you pick with some influence based on your needs (if we have a CB and a LB rated about the same we'll go with the LB for instance). Saying we've never done x means we'll never do x is bullshite. Plus like I said we brought in Ireland to help change our approach.
If Ireland and the team have a knockout draft hiring him will be one of the best moves Loomis has made.
As for positions, year to year that changes based on BPA when you pick with some influence based on your needs (if we have a CB and a LB rated about the same we'll go with the LB for instance). Saying we've never done x means we'll never do x is bullshite. Plus like I said we brought in Ireland to help change our approach.
If Ireland and the team have a knockout draft hiring him will be one of the best moves Loomis has made.
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