re: If given the chance should the Saints draft Jameis?

Good analysis, hard to argue with that.

Maybe I'm just biased becuase I've seen every game of Mariota's while at Oregon, but I have a hard time seeing him fail in the NFL. The Kaepernick comparison is spot on, IMO. I've said for the last two seasons that I expect him to be a better version of Kaepernick.

Team with a clear locker room problem drafts a TPOS who can't even put a coherent sentence together...........sure that makes sense! :rollseyes:

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I've asked you to explain this in two other threads, and you haven't. How in the world is Winston "head and shoulders" above Mariota?

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I'm hesitant to answer because it's just one if those things. There are no numbers to back it up, not really. But I have watched plenty of both of them play. Mariota is a system player. That is kind of all there is to it. There is a TON of read option in their offense, there is a lot of concepts that will never sniff the NFL, and there are very few times that you will see a play that you would ever see on Sunday. Almost all of the passing plays that Oregon run involve 1 read, occasionally 2. There is a ton of bootleg passing, stuff like that. He just has almost NO experience running an offense anything even close to what he will be asked to do on Sundays. In the times that he has been asked to make plays like this (multiple reads), he does not look good. Again, I have no numbers. You just have to watch him play. A lot of reputable scout/media types will back this claim up. This is not to say that Mariota could not succeed in the NFL. He can. But he will either need a lot of bench time or a coach who Is willing to build an offense from the start to tailor to his strengths.

Winston, on the other hand, has already displayed a LOT that he can be a top level passer. He has been very up and down THIS season, I am very aware. There are flaws in his game, but I do contribute a lot of this years failures by him to lack of chemistry with his current receivers, and maybe some distractions by all the off the field stuff. I hate to be "that guy" and say go look at his tape from last season, but it's really all you need to see. He showed the ability to make NFL-level reads and throws as a first year starter, and as a redshirt freshman to boot. He did it all year last year, obviously, as he won the heisman. He looked downright unstoppable. He showed almost no flaws at all. Obviously he has regressed some this season as I already said, but the fact that he has already shown us that he can play at an NFL level when it comes to operating an offense, making quick reads and decisions, and actually making the throws accurately is enough to put him a mile above Mariota, who has not even come close to any of those things. He's a fast runner. That's about it.


The off-the-field stuff is totally a separate issue, with both guys. Mariota has the potential to be a shining guy in a community, kinda like Drew. He's a great guy. But that won't mean anything if he can't get on the field. By all accounts they are both hard workers and leaders. But it's very evident to me that Winston is supremely talented. I'm not a FSU fanboy by any means, but I can't not be a fan of Winston, just knowing the talent that he has. I can't wait to watch him on Sundays.

EDIT: looks like someone beat me to pretty much exactly what I said

I was waiting to see how may times "POS" or "TPOS" got typed. Didn't take long to see it