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re: I think the Saints put it together this year.
Posted on 8/27/16 at 11:32 am to danfraz
Posted on 8/27/16 at 11:32 am to danfraz
It means that judging a teams season outlook based off of preseason is like telling a 4 year old child Santa isn't real; it's ridiculous. I'm not denying their play can get better, it always can. There's so many schematic things that can solve a lot of what we've seen in preseason. Payton won't give Oakland nor any other team anything on tape. 1 of 2 things will happen after the 1st 4 games: we'll be 0-4/1-3 and THEN I'll revisit this or we'll be 3-1/4-0 which is a real possibility and all the worries souls will then be saying "Ah man we knew they'd get it together!" To which we'll revisit this board from this time period. We get off to 3-1 or 4-0 we're winning the South.
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Posted on 8/27/16 at 11:37 am to 9BREES9
First round draft picks are not "project players"...Peat is a 3rd round pick at best..Ingram has evolved into a featured running back. Waste of a 1st round pick you could have gotten in the 3rd round as well...Loomis and friends are the issue
Posted on 8/27/16 at 11:47 am to Roaad
I don't give a rat's arse about preseason. We got so clobbered by the cowboys the same year we went to the NFC championship game. 4 months later we clobbered them in Dallas. That preseason looked worse than this preseason that's for sure. Yeah, I expect growing pains from a young secondary, but they will get better.
Its. Not. Real.
Its. Not. Real.
Posted on 8/27/16 at 12:08 pm to NamariTiger
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No one expected us to win the superbowl the year we did and I could've sworn we lost every preseason game that year.
Not true at all.
Jim Henderson had already proclaimed that this team was destined for the superbowl that year, based on the camp the team was having.
They then proceed to go 3-1 in the preseason and I distinctly remembering the Saints completely dismantling the raiders in the preseason (1st team was nearly perfect on every series - on the road, too)
Not saying that I disagree with your assessment regarding preseason results don't provide an accurate indicator of regular season, but you've cited probably the worst example to support your argument.
That '09 team was loaded and it was VERY apparent in the preseason.
Posted on 8/27/16 at 12:13 pm to LSUGoo
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Loomis and friends are the issue
This is something else that needs to stop. Y'all want to keep going this route, fine. But y'all need to acknowledge that Loomis saw the issues and that's why Ireland is here now. Those issues weren't going to be resolved overnight with fairy dust. That's what some fans realize and what those media members in the know like Glazer see. It's not being talked about because we're a small market.
Posted on 8/27/16 at 12:17 pm to StarSaint
I agree about '09's team. I remember that entire Preseason saying to myself, "I've never seen a team look this damn good from top to bottom compared to the competition." Granted, in the dress rehearsal we played Oakland but man if I remember correctly without looking it up I believe we hung 40 +? Something about that year was different and it was evident. In the same breath with recent SB winners (they aren't my team so I wouldn't follow that close) but they didn't appear to be as dominant throughout the process as that Saint team.
Posted on 8/27/16 at 12:27 pm to Roaad
I have already embraced reality. There is no way this team can go 16-0. Just no way. 15-1...14-2 not prepared to rule those out yet.
Posted on 8/27/16 at 12:33 pm to 9BREES9
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It means that judging a teams season outlook based off of preseason is like telling a 4 year old child Santa isn't real; it's ridiculou
You think that's where ALL ppl get this feeling?
Seriously this team lacks talent in critical areas and for those saying 09 PS wasn't good, STFU. It was clear that team was loaded and ready. To even think this team comes close to that team is just black and gold hogwash.
I'll be more than happy if this team surprises the majority of us. But I'm over 40, I'm a grown man. This team isn't all that talented and it will be a bad season compared to even the last three.
The best hope for the Saints is that all NFL teams are very flawed and it's more watered down now than ever. So they could and probably will win one lose two win one lose one win two kinda roller coaster and end up in the middle of the draft with no real great future.
frick it. TANK
Posted on 8/27/16 at 12:47 pm to Roaad
I have no clue how this season will pan out. In real life the majority of Saints fans have always been Saints fans, even in the bad days. I'm speaking of people old enough to have witnessed all that of course. On here, I really suspect 90% of posters didn't start following the Saints until after the SB. Even non Saints fans laugh at some of ya'll. It's amazing how short of a memory people have and such a lack of any football knowledge that people have on here. It's full of a bunch of Madden players who have never touched a football irl. 
Ok, got all that out of the way.
People harping on Oline forget that we have never, yes, never had a truly dominant line across the board. In 09 we were worried about LT, C, and even RT. Brown was never that good, Bushrod was average, Goodwin was avg, and Stinch was slightly ahead of Strief in pass blocking, about the same in run blocking. Only maybe 2-3 teams in the league truly have an absolute dominant line across the board. Oline's historically take the longest to develop and gel going into a season, especially when there has been new faces and shuffling during the offseason. Most teams have 2-3 weak to average players on their Oline.
People that have actually touched a football, and even moreso one's that played also tend to understand player development. Sometimes you have to give a draft pick more than one year to see if he is any good or not. Sometimes an edge rusher, RB, WR can come in and play well rookie year. Other positions, DT, C, FS, MLB, take a little longer. DT and QB many times takes 2-3 years, and that's without having an injury. Give the players a chance. We got blown out by the Raiders in 3rd preseason game in 2011, remember that.
ETA: The term, "he either has it or he doesn't" gets tossed around way too much. In high school and college that is true. In the NFL, not as much. Physically, especially one's drafted, they pretty much all have it. Mentally is where it gets many who don't pan out, and injuries or attitude the rest. Sometimes mentally, it takes a few years to develop, and develop their proper technique at the same time.
Ok, got all that out of the way. People harping on Oline forget that we have never, yes, never had a truly dominant line across the board. In 09 we were worried about LT, C, and even RT. Brown was never that good, Bushrod was average, Goodwin was avg, and Stinch was slightly ahead of Strief in pass blocking, about the same in run blocking. Only maybe 2-3 teams in the league truly have an absolute dominant line across the board. Oline's historically take the longest to develop and gel going into a season, especially when there has been new faces and shuffling during the offseason. Most teams have 2-3 weak to average players on their Oline.
People that have actually touched a football, and even moreso one's that played also tend to understand player development. Sometimes you have to give a draft pick more than one year to see if he is any good or not. Sometimes an edge rusher, RB, WR can come in and play well rookie year. Other positions, DT, C, FS, MLB, take a little longer. DT and QB many times takes 2-3 years, and that's without having an injury. Give the players a chance. We got blown out by the Raiders in 3rd preseason game in 2011, remember that.
ETA: The term, "he either has it or he doesn't" gets tossed around way too much. In high school and college that is true. In the NFL, not as much. Physically, especially one's drafted, they pretty much all have it. Mentally is where it gets many who don't pan out, and injuries or attitude the rest. Sometimes mentally, it takes a few years to develop, and develop their proper technique at the same time.
This post was edited on 8/27/16 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 8/27/16 at 1:16 pm to Roaad
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Shake the haters
Because anonymous haters on the internet affect the success of football teams. I'll drink to that.
Posted on 8/27/16 at 1:21 pm to Roaad
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Preseason is a shite indicator.
Oline is gonna gel, defense will be better.
I say strong playoff run.
Shake the haters
I take it that post alot over at saints report.
Posted on 8/27/16 at 5:31 pm to Roaad
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I think the Saints put it together this year.
Preseason is a shite indicator.
Oline is gonna gel, defense will be better.
I say strong playoff run.
I started to believe you until the edit.
Posted on 8/28/16 at 2:55 am to NamariTiger
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No one expected us to win the superbowl t
Don't know about winning the Superbowl, but I thought that team could at least get to the NFC championship. But the saints are a far cry from that.
Posted on 8/28/16 at 3:55 am to windshieldman
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People that have actually touched a football, and even moreso one's that played also tend to understand player development. Sometimes you have to give a draft pick more than one year to see if he is any good or not. Sometimes an edge rusher, RB, WR can come in and play well rookie year. Other positions, DT, C, FS, MLB, take a little longer. DT and QB many times takes 2-3 years, and that's without having an injury. Give the players a chance. We got blown out by the Raiders in 3rd preseason game in 2011, remember that.
I agree with your sentiment, but do you really think it's necessary to have played football to know this? Unless you played in the pros, youd have no more insight than someone who's never played. By your own admission it's not so much in college or high school. So unless you played pros, I don't see why you're being so condescending.
Posted on 8/28/16 at 6:26 am to Breesus
8-8 would be a good year IMO. I see very little talent on the field. But with Breees, u always have a chance.
Posted on 8/28/16 at 8:06 am to Roaad
It does feel like we are at the end of a great run. I never put to much on preseason games. I am a die hard fan and do not jump off the ledge because I love my Saints
I think our defense is going to do pretty good this season. I like the gang tackling the aggressive attacking but the are going to get beat and we need a better pasha rush but a lot of that comes when they start game planning
I am a little worried about our offense our line is shakey but I thought our right side looked better when. We ran to that side.
Once again. Time to put on my black and gold glasses and watch the Saints. Who dat!!!
I think our defense is going to do pretty good this season. I like the gang tackling the aggressive attacking but the are going to get beat and we need a better pasha rush but a lot of that comes when they start game planning
I am a little worried about our offense our line is shakey but I thought our right side looked better when. We ran to that side.
Once again. Time to put on my black and gold glasses and watch the Saints. Who dat!!!
Posted on 8/28/16 at 11:08 am to higgsBoson
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I agree with your sentiment, but do you really think it's necessary to have played football to know this? Unless you played in the pros, youd have no more insight than someone who's never played. By your own admission it's not so much in college or high school. So unless you played pros, I don't see why you're being so condescending
I was kinda jokingly being condescending in my other paragraph. My own admission you speak of was about players that have that "it" factor. You see it in high school and college. In the NFL, they all have that "it" factor, at least physically and athletically. Doesn't mean they are gonna make a good player in the NFL.
My other point was people that played at least through high school level or some college understand player development. Most understand switching positions, having an injury, different scheme, can set a rookie back some. I know it comes across as condescending, but overall, people that didn't play much football tend to be the one's that give up on a player or team, bash players, etc the quickest. Where people that played a good bit of football, usually aren't near as quick to do that. Not saying 100% it's like that, but overall, at least from what I've seen, and many other people I know agree, that is true.
Posted on 8/28/16 at 12:47 pm to Roaad
Posted on 8/28/16 at 1:00 pm to windshieldman
Jamal Brown was a pro bowl LT.
Posted on 8/28/16 at 1:09 pm to Roaad
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Shake the haters
Hell yea! We are still undefeated so why not
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