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re: Ever since Drew signs for 100 mil and 60 mil guaranteed...
Posted on 10/12/15 at 10:06 am to TigerinATL
Posted on 10/12/15 at 10:06 am to TigerinATL
Yes. The Bounty suspensions set this franchise back huge. We had a superbowl in 09, almost had another one in 11, we were an elite top franchise with no where to go but up and Goodell decided to gut and destroy the team chemistry, the front office, the head coach, the staff, the draft, etc... They are unforgivable. And I sincerely hope Goodell gets his Karma payment. He is ruining football and he ruined our team. Dude deserves a decade stay in a Saudi Arabian prison.
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Posted on 10/12/15 at 10:20 am to Breesus
The Saints had more wins than ANY other team in the ENTIRE NFL from 2006 when Brees/Payton came until the Bounty Gate crap happened..
Just think about that.. No other team had more wins than New Orleans during that span. Not even the Patriots. From 2006-2011. Then 2012 crap happened.. It really set this franchise back, again though it still doesn't excuse terrible drafting.. but perhaps that layoff with the coach and GM just got them into a funk or some crap. I have no idea, but I know we haven't been that feared team since.
Just think about that.. No other team had more wins than New Orleans during that span. Not even the Patriots. From 2006-2011. Then 2012 crap happened.. It really set this franchise back, again though it still doesn't excuse terrible drafting.. but perhaps that layoff with the coach and GM just got them into a funk or some crap. I have no idea, but I know we haven't been that feared team since.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 10:21 am to mrPresident
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If my job title included gm for the saints or something of that nature then I would.
But yet you have no problem acting like a GM by cutting or trading players?
I have yet to see those that hate that contract give any alternative (even a bad one) that would of put us as a semi viable team like we have been until the last few years.
Everyone else is dead right on what the issue is...bad drafts and overpaid FAs. Brees has literally been the only thing keeping us from 5 wins up to this point.
None of this was coming out of Saints fans mouths when they were beating the eagles in the playoffs on the road.
All i ask is some consistency. I did not see anyone bitch about the contract when we were still good
This post was edited on 10/12/15 at 10:23 am
Posted on 10/12/15 at 10:28 am to JeffG20
It just always infuriates me when people put it on Brees contract when 100 million is the going rate for almost any competent QB in the NFL these days.. Drew was severely underpaid for what we were getting half his career here or so..
Drew is still playing decent.. the fumbles have been awful though.. but he's playing better than Luck, Stafford, Peyton Manning, etc.. He's still reliable even with the shoulder and putting up good numbers.
Brees is heavily responsible along with Payton for even making this a place free agents would consider coming to.. The drafting has just been horrific for the most part of late.
Drew is still playing decent.. the fumbles have been awful though.. but he's playing better than Luck, Stafford, Peyton Manning, etc.. He's still reliable even with the shoulder and putting up good numbers.
Brees is heavily responsible along with Payton for even making this a place free agents would consider coming to.. The drafting has just been horrific for the most part of late.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 10:30 am to mrPresident
Don't forget the $15 million in dead money the Saints have in 2016.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 10:43 am to Rickety Cricket
Yea, the junior situation is pretty crippling
Posted on 10/12/15 at 10:45 am to mrPresident
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Where's Tom Brady's name on that list? My point exactly. He takes paycuts for Super Bowl rings.
He can afford to do that, Gisele makes like $50 million a year.
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Rivers? damn good
Rivers is worth it but not Brees? quote:You realize you're shitting on your own point with this stuff right? These guys are making more than Brees and somehow their teams are still abled to give them some solid weapons. Meanwhile Payton and Loomis are trading our weapons to build a defense(which still sucks) and an offensive line, also garbage.
Eli is okay but has OBJ to throw to so that helps out. Matt Ryan has Julio. Flacco has Steve Smith
Posted on 10/12/15 at 11:01 am to D011ahbi11
I mentioned those qbs and their weapons to validate their pay. I'm not going against my point because although drew gets paid handsomely like the aforementioned qbs above, they also are playing damn good and have good records. I don't mind Brees getting paid if, and only if,he performs at a high level and helps the team win which he is not doing.
Obviously Brees isn't the one trading and drafting players. But he got a contract at his opportune time but at a horrible time for the saints to fork out that money. If he wanted to have quality players around him he should have understood that if he took 100 mil and back ended the hell out of it then no money would be left to afford elite O-linemen to protect him, or to afford elite WR/TE to catch his passes and get open, or to afford a defense that can stop other teams. I blame the saints front office for most of it but Brees cannot be left off the hook here. You're delusional and way too biased if you assume otherwise.
These other "paid" qbs are getting it done. Brees is not. Period.
Obviously Brees isn't the one trading and drafting players. But he got a contract at his opportune time but at a horrible time for the saints to fork out that money. If he wanted to have quality players around him he should have understood that if he took 100 mil and back ended the hell out of it then no money would be left to afford elite O-linemen to protect him, or to afford elite WR/TE to catch his passes and get open, or to afford a defense that can stop other teams. I blame the saints front office for most of it but Brees cannot be left off the hook here. You're delusional and way too biased if you assume otherwise.
These other "paid" qbs are getting it done. Brees is not. Period.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 11:03 am to mrPresident
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These other "paid" qbs are getting it done. Brees is not. Period.
I thought he wasnt getting it done because we have to trade away weapons because his contract doesn't allow us to pay them?
Posted on 10/12/15 at 11:08 am to mrPresident
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If he wanted to have quality players around him he should have understood that if he took 100 mil and back ended the hell out of it then no money would be left to afford elite O-linemen to protect him,
So our Grubbs and Evans weren't getting paid elite money? Strief wasn't extended?
You're being inconsistent with your logic here
You blamed brees for the lack of weapons, but we had the highest paid G combo in the league, the highest paid TE in the league, the highest paid S in the league, and extended Jordan and Junior
Not to mention Colston is well paid too
This post was edited on 10/12/15 at 11:11 am
Posted on 10/12/15 at 11:11 am to Breesus
Regardless, the point is that he is paid to be elite and is not playing as an elite qb and is in turn hindering other elite players from joining bc we have no money.
He's fumbling, he's throwing int's, he's pressured in almost every dropback, there is no consistency. The defense is horrid. Change is necessary.
He's fumbling, he's throwing int's, he's pressured in almost every dropback, there is no consistency. The defense is horrid. Change is necessary.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 11:14 am to mrPresident
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playing as an elite qb and is in turn hindering other elite players from joining bc we have no money.
You get elite players through the draft, especially offensive weapons
And we literally signed an all pro safety last year while also signing Graham
Both the highest paid at their position
Your point isn't valid
Posted on 10/12/15 at 11:18 am to TigerBait1127
I blamed Brees for taking a lot of money when there wasn't much to be given. Grubbs is no longer a saint because we couldn't pay the man.
Earl Thomas is the highest paid safety in the league, fyi. Devin McCourty is second. Not sure about your point there.
We had to trade away the highest paid TE in the league because we had no other money what are you not understanding
Earl Thomas is the highest paid safety in the league, fyi. Devin McCourty is second. Not sure about your point there.
We had to trade away the highest paid TE in the league because we had no other money what are you not understanding
Posted on 10/12/15 at 11:19 am to mrPresident
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Grubbs is no longer a saint because we couldn't pay the man.
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had to trade away the highest paid TE in the league because we had no other money what are you not understanding
Cost us 2015 cap space. We resigned Ingram, signed Spiller, and signed Browner. Also signed Byrd and extended Junior and Jordan that same year
You have no idea what you're talking about
This post was edited on 10/12/15 at 11:22 am
Posted on 10/12/15 at 11:21 am to TigerBait1127
So are we not in the year 2015, now? I'm talking about this year and the future big guy.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 11:23 am to TigerBait1127
And Jimmy wasn't going to have a cap hit in 2016, 2017, 2018???? What on earth are you talking about?
Posted on 10/12/15 at 11:23 am to mrPresident
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So are we not in the year 2015, now?
Graham cost us 2015 cap space
You're right, Brees is the reason we have $31.6 million in dead money in 2015 and $14.8 in 2016. Both highest in the nfl by a substantial margin
Not to mention Byrd's $60 million
This post was edited on 10/12/15 at 11:25 am
Posted on 10/12/15 at 11:27 am to TigerBait1127
Graham costs us 2015 cap space, as well as 2016, 2017 and 2018. When you pay someone each year for the contract they sign, it goes against your cap space for each year...
Posted on 10/12/15 at 11:28 am to mrPresident
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When you pay someone each year for the contract they sign, it goes against your cap space for each year...
Uh no, just 2015 now.
It has to do with prorated signing bonus actually, not the year to year money
The net result of the unger-grraham trade hurt our 2015 cap. End of story
Dead money, FA Misses, and bad drafts are your issues.
We couldn't afford grubbs, but we're paying spiller more...
This post was edited on 10/12/15 at 11:34 am
Posted on 10/12/15 at 11:29 am to mrPresident
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These other "paid" qbs agetting it done. Brees is not. Period.
This year? Some of them are but take a look at what some of them have done recently.
Eli hasn't been to the playoffs in 3 or 4 years. Roethlisberger once in the last 3 years. Matt Ryan has gone 4-12 and 6-10 in his last 2 seasons. Rivers has gone to the playoffs in 2 of his last 6 seasons.
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