re: Draft Talk Big Board

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Stanford DE Trent Murphy who needed to show pro scouts that at barely over 250 pounds had the strength for adown DE, but didn't, although he did show decent quickness and a good motor

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DraftTek post Sr Bowl update

1 -- Jadeveon Clowney South Carolina 6'5" 272 DE43 OLB34 0 BIO --
2 -- Teddy Bridgewater Louisville 6'3" 218 QB BIO --
3 -- Jake Matthews Texas A&M 6'5" 305 ROT LOT 0 BIO --
4 -- Sammy Watkins Clemson 6'1" 205 WRF BIO --
5 -- Khalil Mack Buffalo 6'2" 244 OLB43 OLB34 0 BIO --
6 +12 Greg Robinson Auburn 6'5" 320 LOT ROT 0 BIO --
7 +34 Blake Bortles UCF 6'3" 230 QB BIO --
8 +1 Anthony Barr UCLA 6'3" 238 OLB43 OLB34 0 BIO --
9 +1 C.J. Mosley Alabama 6'2" 232 ILB OLB43 0 BIO --
10 +9 Ra'Shede Hageman Minnesota 6'5" 302 DT43 DE34 -12 BIO --
11 +9 Marqise Lee USC 6'0" 195 WRF BIO --
12 +9 Johnny Manziel Texas A&M 6'1" 200 QB BIO --
13 -1 Ha'Sean Clinton-Dix Alabama 6'1" 208 FS BIO --
14 -- Darqueze Dennard Michigan State 5'11" 188 CB BIO --
15 +14 Eric Ebron North Carolina 6'4" 245 TE BIO --
16 -9 Louis Nix Notre Dame 6'3" 326 DT34 DT43 0 BIO --
17 -9 Cyrus Kouandjio Alabama 6'5" 312 LOT ROT -15 BIO --
18 -7 Mike Evans Texas A&M 6'5" 225 WRF BIO --
19 +9 Kony Ealy Missouri 6'5" 275 DE43 DE34 -53 BIO --
20 -4 Jason Verrett TCU 5'10" 182 CB BIO --
21 +1 Stephon Tuitt Notre Dame 6'5" 303 DE34 DT43 -20 BIO --
22 -9 Taylor Lewan Michigan 6'7" 302 LOT ROT -116 BIO --
23 +20 Allen Robinson Penn State 6'3" 204 WRF BIO --
24 -- Justin Gilbert Oklahoma State 6'0" 195 CB BIO --
25 -8 Jace Amaro Texas Tech 6'5" 257 TE BIO --
26 +1 David Yankey Stanford 6'5" 312 OG LOT -33 BIO --
27 -12 Derek Carr Fresno State 6'3" 212 QB BIO --
28 +29 Timmy Jernigan Florida State 6'2" 298 DT43 BIO --
29 -11 Trent Murphy Stanford 6'5" 261 DE43 OLB34 -52 BIO --
30 +19 Odell Beckham Jr. LSU 6'0" 207 WRF BIO --
31 +3 Antonio Richardson Tennessee 6'6" 332 ROT LOT 0 BIO --

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Murphy is a purse pass rusher.

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lol purse

So you see that many CBs off the board by the time our 2nd pick comes around?

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HERE's ya one CB ranking chart. The (#) is the overall rank. By that, when #58 rolls around, you might expect to be down to the #6 to 8 ranked CB to choose from

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I'm not too sure on their accuracy. They updated their rankings yesterday and have this guy rising up the 3-4 OLB rankings for this draft. Unless I missed something?


15 (140) +13 LSU
Jermauria Rasco
Jr 6'3" 255 #59
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I really hope they grab Jarvis Landry in the 2nd.

I know I know, we don't want all LSU players. Landry is going to be one helluva player in though.

So far I would call #58 a bit of a reach for Landry. He would be a great pick at #91. The early forecast looks like somewhere between those tho.

I've said this, if he can bulk up some without any loss of speed & quickness I think he could be an Anquan Boldin type of WR.

Add Detillier's Top 75

1. Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina

2. Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M

3. Sammy Watkins, WR, Clemson

4. Anthony Barr, OLB, UCLA

5. Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M

6. Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville

7. Greg Robinson, OT, Auburn

8. Khalil Mack, OLB, Buffalo

9. Blake Bortles, QB, Central Florida

10. Marqise Lee, WR, USC

11. Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan

12. Louis Nix III, DT, Notre Dame

13. Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M

14. C.J. Mosley, ILB, Alabama

15. Tim Jernigan, DT, Florida State

16. Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigan State

17. Eric Ebron, TE, North Carolina

18. Zack Martin, OT, Notre Dame

19. Odell Beckham Jr., WR, LSU

20. Justin Gilbert, CB, Oklahoma State

21. Cyrus Kouandjio, OT, Alabama

22. Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, FS, Alabama

23. Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Florida State

24. Stephon Tuitt, DE, Notre Dame

25. Brandin Cooks, WR, Oregon State

26. Jace Amaro, TE, Texas Tech

27. RaShede Hageman, DT, Minnesota

28. Kony Ealy, DE, Missouri

29. Jason Verrett, CB, TCU

30. Cyril Richardson, Offensive Guard Baylor

31. Dee Ford, OLB/DE, Auburn

32. Ryan Shazier, OLB, Ohio State

--ya can already see the consensus getting clearer after the Sr bowl

I'd love to see the Saints grab Dennard, Gilbert, or Verrett if they don't make a move in FA.

Not because of LSU, but I would love to see Juice in the 2nd. Guy has great hands and goes all out.

Eta: Of course I'd rather him in the 3rd, but don't think he'll be there.

With Greer gone CB catapults to the surest and biggest need IMO. If Jenkins doesn't come back then safety would be right there too.

I'd kill for either Dennard or Gilbert to be available at #27 but the chances of that will only dim going forward. They are both THE type teams are looking for right now, big enough but physical. The update below has them .10 & .11 in rank (not mock).

If there is a Jenkins hol,e I could see it being a bit more likely just on ratings that #27 could be a safety. At 6-2 & 6-1 Pryor & HaHa same thing. THE combo of skills the NFL is wanting more of. On this update they're rated .18 & .23.

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1. Jadeveon Clowney*, DE, South Carolina (6-feet-6, 268 pounds): There is no question Clowney failed to live up to expectations in 2013 from a statistical standpoint. On closer review it was clear that opponents made stopping him their top priority, often assigning multiple blockers to slow him down. Boasting a once-in-a-generation combination of size and explosiveness, Clowney offers immediate-impact ability at a premium position. He's a virtual guarantee to be the first defender selected and remains the favorite to go No. 1 overall simply because he is unquestionably the most talented player in the draft.

2. Greg Robinson*, OT, Auburn (6-5, 320): Redshirt offensive linemen rarely earn more than a whisper in scouting circles, but the buzz around the Tigers' star left tackle is venturing into deafening. Physical and tenacious, Robinson is a grizzly bear in the running game, mauling opponents with an exciting blend of size, strength and athleticism. Auburn's reliance on the running game, however, provided Robinson few opportunities to hone his craft as a pass protector.

3. Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M (6-5, 305): The son of Hall of Famer Bruce Matthews, Jake proves the cliché -- the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. He played well at left tackle as a senior after starring at right tackle over his first three years. Like his father, Matthews projects well to any position along the offensive line. While perhaps not an elite athlete, he is a terrific football player, demonstrating impressive technique, strength and consistency.

4. Sammy Watkins*, WR, Clemson (6-1, 200): Watkins doesn't have the elite size that helped A.J. Green, Julio Jones and Calvin Johnson earn top-six selections since 2007, but he does have virtually everything else -- including instant acceleration, impressive body control and the natural hands to pluck the ball outside of his frame. Watkins could go as high as No. 2 to the St. Louis Rams.

5. Khalil Mack, OLB, Buffalo (6-3, 248): With an FBS-record 16 career forced fumbles and record-tying 75 career tackles for loss, Mack's statistics jump off the page. Against the most gifted opponents he faced this season (Ohio State, Baylor, Connecticut), it was his game that jumped off the screen. His size, instincts and agility as an edge rusher make him equally intriguing to teams operating out of a 4-3 or 3-4 alignment. That versatility could land him a spot in the top five. Some, in fact, view him as a dark-horse candidate for the Texans at No. 1 overall.

6. Teddy Bridgewater*, QB, Louisville (6-3, 210): In an era in which college quarterbacks' numbers are often inflated by short passes and relatively simplistic schemes, Bridgewater's sparkling production was due to Pro Bowl-caliber accuracy in the critical short to intermediate levels. His success (71 percent completion rate with 31 touchdowns against just four interceptions) came out of a pro-style offense that requires him to make adjustments at the line of scrimmage and complete NFL throws. His slight frame is a legitimate concern and he's not an elite deep ball passer, but he has shown great toughness over his career and is a better athlete than many realize.

7. Anthony Barr, OLB, UCLA (6-4, 238): Barr's emergence as one of the nation's elite NFL prospects after languishing as a running back early in his career has been well documented. Barr exploded in 2012 in his first season on the defensive side of the ball and backed it up with another spectacular campaign in 2013, including 65 tackles, 20 tackles for loss, 10 sacks and five forced fumbles, earning him the Lott IMPACT Trophy. His burst off the snap is exciting but he flashes rather than dominates and is not as polished as his hype may lead you to believe.

8. Blake Bortles*, QB, Central Florida (6-3, 230): A prototypically built pocket passer with good awareness, athleticism and arm talent, Bortles looks the part of an NFL starting QB. He is methodical in his setup and delivery and is a bit inconsistent with his accuracy, but the mettle he showed in guiding UCF to several comeback victories in 2013 has scouts buzzing. Bortles isn't as polished as Bridgewater, but he may have an even higher upside. A top-10 pick is likely and it isn't out of the question that he'll rank as the best quarterback for some, potentially including Texans coach Bill O'Brien, whose Penn State team lost to Bortles and UCF in 2013.

9. Marqise Lee*, WR, Southern Cal (6-0, 195): A nagging left knee injury hampered Lee for much of the 2013 season, robbing the 2012 Biletnikoff Award winner of his trademark elusiveness and acceleration. Finally healthy in the Las Vegas Bowl against Fresno State, however, Lee showed off his playmaking ability, hauling in seven passes for 118 yards and two scores. Lee's relatively slight frame could lead to durability issues in the NFL, but his first-round skill set is undeniable.

10. Justin Gilbert, CB, Oklahoma State (6-0, 200): With NFL rules increasingly favoring passing games, the value of playmakers on either side of the ball has never been higher. Gilbert led the Big 12 with seven interceptions in 2013 and returned six career kickoffs for touchdowns. There are other defensive backs in this class who offer a more well-rounded game, but in terms of size, agility and speed, no cornerback offers a more intriguing skill set than the Cowboys star.

11. Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigan State (5-11, 197): Quick feet, loose hips and a fluid turning motion make Dennard a classic cover corner capable of shutting down half the field. Dennard allowed only three completions in 31 targets of 15-plus yards this season. His ability in coverage played a huge role in the Spartans' run to a Rose Bowl victory, and was recognized with Dennard winning the Thorpe Award as the nation's top defensive back. The only factor keeping Dennard from a selection in the top half of the first round is a question about his straight-line speed.

12. Kony Ealy*, DE, Missouri (6-5, 275): While teammate Michael Sam garnered more hype on the field, scouts are increasingly intrigued by Ealy due to his impressive combination of size and athleticism. A highly versatile defender with experience inside and out for the Tigers, Ealy projects nicely to both the 4-3 and 3-4 alignments and the first-team All-SEC pick is just scratching the surface of his potential.

I don't believe in drafting O-Line unless you're in the top ten of the draft or wait until the 4th round or later. Most of them aren't worth it and Armstead is gonna be our guy. We just need depth. Releasing Jabari almost absolutely means we go Corner first round, I think we get Dennard, Roby or Gilbert. Their hyping Gilbert up because of his size and return ability but Dennard is lock down. If we could get him at 27 we are lucky as shite

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Releasing Jabari almost absolutely means we go Corner first round

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No it doesn't. We may go corner in the first, but we could also address it in free agency or maybe we like the Robinson + white combo

I hate the idea of drafting a corner in the first honestly.