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re: Do we resign Mark Ingram?
Posted on 11/11/14 at 12:40 pm to Boss
Posted on 11/11/14 at 12:40 pm to Boss
Forsett is going to sign with Baltimore again. With Rice out of the picture, I think he becomes their RB.
Murray is going to get re-signed by Dallas
Bradshaw is not a viable option, age and PT is just better than him.
Ridley is a true one trick pony. He has bad hands and fumblitis
Vereen is a nice pickup if we're replacing PT as our 3rd down back. I think he'd be a perfect complement to Ingram as the 1-2 punch.
Run DMC is done.
Mathews is more injury prone than Ingram
Polk would be a nice situational back to sign.
Moreno had a career resurgence last year, but I don't want him on this squad. He just seems to break down
Gore is too old
Ingram is going to be where Ryan Mathews is, imo.
Murray is going to get re-signed by Dallas
Bradshaw is not a viable option, age and PT is just better than him.
Ridley is a true one trick pony. He has bad hands and fumblitis
Vereen is a nice pickup if we're replacing PT as our 3rd down back. I think he'd be a perfect complement to Ingram as the 1-2 punch.
Run DMC is done.
Mathews is more injury prone than Ingram
Polk would be a nice situational back to sign.
Moreno had a career resurgence last year, but I don't want him on this squad. He just seems to break down
Gore is too old
Ingram is going to be where Ryan Mathews is, imo.
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Posted on 11/11/14 at 1:09 pm to LNCHBOX
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So your plan is get rid of a guy that is proven in the NFL and has just strung together 3 100 yard games in a row, and you want us to replace that talent with rookies?
This place is comical.
He's not going to want to sign with us.
We can't afford him.
We can't afford a big priced free agent.
We replaced Reggie Bush with a rookie, why not Ingram.
I don't get the joke.
What's your plan? Sign him with money we don't have and have Sean Payton promise to change his whole offensive philosophy?
Posted on 11/11/14 at 1:11 pm to KindaRaw
I agree, Grubbs or Evans has to go. Both have played terrible this year and are positions of greater need that I was referring to. IF you sure up the O-line, who the ball carrier is becomes less of an issue and drew won't be running for his life all game.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 1:12 pm to Suntiger
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He's not going to want to sign with us.
this is not factual.
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We can't afford him.
this is not factual.
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We can't afford a big priced free agent.
this is not factual.
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We replaced Reggie Bush with a rookie, why not Ingram.
this doesn't help the argument of its what we should do. we had to go through a learning curve with rookie rb's.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 1:21 pm to Chad504boy
What is factual? He will sign for whatever we ask him to sign for? Don't mind the fans who have booed you and talked bad about you and the fact the team didn't pick up your option, or even that we are a pass first offense that you are a secondary thought of unless the other running backs who start over you are hurt. Ignore all that and sign with us for less money than you will get from another team. It's like...my opinion man, but at least it's backed up by some facts.
I'm not saying it's optimal. I just feel it's likely he won't resign with us.
I'm not saying it's optimal. I just feel it's likely he won't resign with us.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 1:32 pm to Suntiger
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What is factual?
The Saints have gone many times out of the waqy to make ingram our starting rb through the times he was playing like a pussy. He was given the job from day 1, never earned it till last year. Don't mistake the fans opinion of ingram as the relationship between ingram and front office.
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Ignore all that and sign with us for less money than you will get from another team.
You don't even know what we'd want to offer him or what he'd get. You stating this as a fact? I think Payton and Loomis would love very much to keep this Mark Ingram whose found his way in the NFL finally as a Saint for several more years. They've let Sproles and Ivory go most in part to keep paving the way for Ingram to get his touches here.
Payton and Loomis have NEVER talked down about ingram through his struggles and have only praised him the past year. Mark needed to prove himself. His 5th year was a big number for just a single year. We can parlay that cap number into along term deal. We got byrd here for diddly shite on the first year cap numbers.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 1:54 pm to htran90
If he wont take about 4 mil a year, than good riddance.
Its not a coincidence that he and all of our RBs got better when our run blocking improved with the inserting of armstead.
Its not a coincidence that he and all of our RBs got better when our run blocking improved with the inserting of armstead.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 2:20 pm to josh336
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If he wont take about 4 mil a year, than good riddance.
Its not a coincidence that he and all of our RBs got better when our run blocking improved with the inserting of armstead.
Date back to Dallas and he's outperformed every RB on our roster and play calling this year has also helped him a lot.
I can't stop referring to the philly game when you hear Connor Barwin mentions Ingram/#22 is in watch the run. You'll never hear a LB call that out to his teammates when PT is in. something absurd like 70% of Ingram's snaps in previous years were runs. That isn't hard to stop someone if you already know where its going.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 2:46 pm to Cranky Jorts
3rd in the league in rushing yards per game 
Posted on 11/11/14 at 2:47 pm to josh336
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If he wont take about 4 mil a year, than good riddance.
A top 8 back in the league is worth more than 4 mill a year.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 2:55 pm to Chad504boy
Despite missing 3 games, Mark Ingram is currently:
11th in rushing yards (551yards)
3rd in rushing YPG (91.8ypg)
13th in rushing attempts (115carries)
T-8th in YPC (4.8ypc)
T-4th in Rushing TDs (6TDs)
oh...and 0 fumbles, 0 fumbles lost in 115 carries.
The only RBs to even have 100+ carries and not fumble are:
Le'Veon Bell 162 carries (4.6ypc)
Frank Gore 139 carries (4.0ypc)
Mark Ingram 115 carries (4.8ypc)
Steven Jackson 111 carries (3.8ypc)
Gio Bernard 109 carries (4.1ypc)
Terrance West 107 carries (3.7ypc)
Ben Tate 104 carries (3.3ypc)
Also, of RBs that have carried it 100+ times, he is T-4th in YPC
Murray 5.1ypc (244 carries)
Foster 5.1ypc (161 carries)
Forsett 5.4ypc (133 carries)
Ingram 4.8ypc (115 carries)
L. Miller 4.8ypc (110 carries)
D. Robinson 4.8ypc (100 carries)
11th in rushing yards (551yards)
3rd in rushing YPG (91.8ypg)
13th in rushing attempts (115carries)
T-8th in YPC (4.8ypc)
T-4th in Rushing TDs (6TDs)
oh...and 0 fumbles, 0 fumbles lost in 115 carries.
The only RBs to even have 100+ carries and not fumble are:
Le'Veon Bell 162 carries (4.6ypc)
Frank Gore 139 carries (4.0ypc)
Mark Ingram 115 carries (4.8ypc)
Steven Jackson 111 carries (3.8ypc)
Gio Bernard 109 carries (4.1ypc)
Terrance West 107 carries (3.7ypc)
Ben Tate 104 carries (3.3ypc)
Also, of RBs that have carried it 100+ times, he is T-4th in YPC
Murray 5.1ypc (244 carries)
Foster 5.1ypc (161 carries)
Forsett 5.4ypc (133 carries)
Ingram 4.8ypc (115 carries)
L. Miller 4.8ypc (110 carries)
D. Robinson 4.8ypc (100 carries)
This post was edited on 11/11/14 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 11/11/14 at 2:57 pm to htran90
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T-8th in YPC (4.8ypc)
you should narrow this down to rb's with substantial amount of carries. I know khiry is one of those 7 above him.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 2:59 pm to Chad504boy
done. 100+ carries, he's t-4th
Posted on 11/11/14 at 3:07 pm to Cranky Jorts
The bigger question is, will Mark Ingram seriously consider re-signing here? I say no, he is ready to breakout and become a star and that won't happen here as long as the offense is tailored around taking shots down the field in the passing game. Expect Mark Ingram to be playing elsewhere next year. The only way I see him coming back is if the Saints franchise him but I don't think they can really afford to do that.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 3:23 pm to GeauxBayouBengals
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I say no, he is ready to breakout and become a star
Dude would have been on pace for a 1300 plus yd year had he not been hurt.
And something is to be said for longevity in a rb's career and not be getting 350-400 carries a year. That shortens your career thus limiting your lifetime earnings.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 4:13 pm to Chad504boy
Let me ask you this....
Do you place more value on having a top 8 running back in the league or say a top 5-8 O-line?
Personally I'd rather let him walk and focus on beefing up the line. but for the record, I think Ingram is easily the best running back we've had since deuce.
Do you place more value on having a top 8 running back in the league or say a top 5-8 O-line?
Personally I'd rather let him walk and focus on beefing up the line. but for the record, I think Ingram is easily the best running back we've had since deuce.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 4:16 pm to whoknows1390
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Do you place more value on having a top 8 running back in the league or say a top 5-8 O-line?
Can have both, i'd like to address a guard somewhat early in draft.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 4:24 pm to Chad504boy
Guard is a problem, Center is a problem, and they probably need to address the RT situation as well. Obviously all will not be addressed in one offseason but if you use cap space to sign an established RT, draft a guard in the first round and look for a C in the 3rd or 4th then that's a huge step in the right direction.
Cornerback needs to be addressed as well. If the saints can keep him for a decent price then I do it for sure. just not at the cost of upgrading more valuable positions.
Cornerback needs to be addressed as well. If the saints can keep him for a decent price then I do it for sure. just not at the cost of upgrading more valuable positions.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 4:28 pm to whoknows1390
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and they probably need to address the RT situation as well.
What RT situation?
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but if you use cap space to sign an established RT
We have a great RT
This post was edited on 11/11/14 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 11/11/14 at 4:29 pm to whoknows1390
We are fine at RT. Draft a G, still think Lelito has played well for us.
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