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re: Brandin Cooks is not worth a first round pick
Posted on 3/10/17 at 9:42 pm to fightingtigers98
Posted on 3/10/17 at 9:42 pm to fightingtigers98
Not enough people acknowledge how terrible cooks was getting yards after the catch ; unless he was catching the ball last the last defender .
Pats will be disappointed in his lack of "scrappiness"
Pats will be disappointed in his lack of "scrappiness"
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Posted on 3/10/17 at 9:44 pm to Jake88
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He was 7th in yardage last year.
43% of his yards and 63% of his TDs came in 3 games
Posted on 3/10/17 at 9:54 pm to GynoSandberg
He's a really good wr but to act like this is some garbage return is ridiculous
Posted on 3/10/17 at 9:59 pm to karralum
No, I want my number 1 receiver to be dynamic with the ball in his hands. Cooks is the opposite of that, he is subpar with the ball in his hands. Cooks is a great route runner and vertical threat nothing more, he is not a dynamic playmaker
Posted on 3/10/17 at 10:06 pm to tigersint
quote:Really?? If they did all that to draft OJ Howard, well, I don't know what to say. lol
If Oj Howard is 75% as good as Graham in our system then we'll be ok. That's who we are going after with this trade.
This post was edited on 3/10/17 at 10:10 pm
Posted on 3/10/17 at 10:21 pm to LosLobos111
True, that's exactly what he is, a lil WR. He was never what the Saints envisioned him to be, a speedy playmaker WR/RB that they could also move to the backfield to occasionally run. When they did the stupid thing of jumping the gun on Sproles and trading him to Philly because they thought he had lost a step, he did, but he was still a dynamic playmaker they thought that Cooks could fill that role. They were wrong they found out because though he has good straight line speed, he has no lateral movement like Sproles, in otherwords he can't make people miss.
what they got was just a typical WR in a small body, but I thought they should have kept their 4th and not have to give that up to NE. Cooks was good for those 3 picks alone.
what they got was just a typical WR in a small body, but I thought they should have kept their 4th and not have to give that up to NE. Cooks was good for those 3 picks alone.
This post was edited on 3/10/17 at 10:22 pm
Posted on 3/10/17 at 10:26 pm to Jake88
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Given how often first rounders disappoint, Cooks is easy worth a first round pick.
This. If your first round pick turns into a consistent starter then that means that tour pick was successful. Brandin Cooks was one of the few successful picks that this team has made the last several years, and we traded him away for a chance to pick a player that worse than even odds won't be successful and even if he is probably won't be able to hit stride for a year or two.
It's kind of a head scratcher trade. One would have thought that the only thing that would make us move him is an overwhelming value trade. Like a proven player back or at least a mid first round pick. The thing I'm wondering is if he was that bad of a locker room distraction.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 10:29 pm to WB504
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The Percy Harvin trade to the Seahawks is a much better comparison.
PERCY had issues which would cause him to miss many games. Cooks has had no issues like that. Also, most WRs break out their 3rd year in the league. Bellichick knows this. Cooks is just beginning his career.
Saints should have kept Cooks for what they got in return. Not worth letting him go. If they get a mid-first or a 3rd and a mid-2nd, then that would work.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 10:30 pm to djmicrobe
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Also, most WRs break out their 3rd year in the league. Bellichick knows this. Cooks is just beginning his career.
This is his 4th year
Posted on 3/10/17 at 10:40 pm to Peazey
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This. If your first round pick turns into a consistent starter then that means that tour pick was successful. Brandin Cooks was one of the few successful picks that this team has made the last several years, and we traded him away for a chance to pick a player that worse than even odds won't be successful and even if he is probably won't be able to hit stride for a year or two.
That's the thing, Drew Brees is going to make any offensive draft pick a success
Lance Moore UDFA
Snead UDFA
Colston RD 7
Stills RD 5
Jimmy RD 3, basketball player
We need defensive players in a bad way. Cooks was part a 3 straight 7-9 teams with porous Ds. Offense chugs along and doesn't miss a beat, defense beefs up, we dont shell out $ for Cooks in the future, and the long play that everyone is neglecting is we add more hopefully useful players on rookie deals for the foreseeable future
Posted on 3/10/17 at 10:51 pm to GynoSandberg
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That's the thing, Drew Brees is going to make any offensive draft pick a success
This is overblown. Brees is a great player, and he'll make any offensive player look better, but he can't do it by himself. A couple years ago when they were trying to trot out Coleman as a significant starter there were some bad stall outs in key situations.
But even so, in principle, I agree with you. Brees is going to make any offensive players look better, and we do need defense more. That's why trading Cooks for a proven player like Butler made sense, and I would have been a lot more comfortable with it. Instead, we subtracted a contributer and added an unknown that unless we get really lucky won't be a key piece until maybe Brees is gone anyway.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 11:03 pm to Peazey
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A couple years ago when they were trying to trot out Coleman as a significant starter there were some bad stall outs in key situations
He's not a miracle worker
The thing w Butler, you end up having to pay him to justify sending Cooks out. If he's the main return, you're not getting the full draft pick haul. So you decide, do you want that cap space going forward or roll the dice with 5 picks in the top 100 or so?
Part of me thinks getting Butler would be the true Belicheckian move. Coming from a great defense, bad divisional QBs and then Belicheck with his extensive DB background. Yeah butler has been great but something doesn't sit right with me with him. Almost like Brees making the offensive players, Belicheck turned a lot of frogs into princes over the years
Posted on 3/10/17 at 11:36 pm to GynoSandberg
Maybe you're right. Maybe I just need to get used to the idea. What you are saying about Butler sounds about right. Great in that system only to come here to be another Jason David or something would be fitting.
Posted on 3/11/17 at 1:56 am to fightingtigers98
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I'm not saying it's a bad deal for the patriots, I'm just saying you guys have an inflated sense of cooks worth
well said
if rumors are true that the titans never offered the #18 and it was just all rumors to entice the best deal for cooks.
then that could explain the deal better if this was the best and apparently the ONLY solid offer there was for cooks.
so maybe the eagles and titans were never really interested in trading a first round pick and it was all talk.
if that were the case then people are freaking out for nothing because we got all there was to get in the trade
im not saying this was how it went down, but I think we are all freaking out too early assuming a whole lot we don't really know.
wait for tomorrows news when we will have most of the details of the trade explained in full detail.
right now we don't know the whole story yet so lets not set the house on fire until we know more
This post was edited on 3/11/17 at 2:02 am
Posted on 3/11/17 at 2:02 am to Peazey
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This is overblown. Brees is a great player, and he'll make any offensive player look better, but he can't do it by himself. A couple years ago when they were trying to trot out Coleman as a significant starter there were some bad stall outs in key situations.
Yeah this worries me some to a degree. Thomas was great his rookie year but it was just one year. Can we expect similar things? He will see way more coverage now that Cooks is gone and so will Snead. Coleman is kind of a bum and Ginn Jr. Is above average.
I think people give Brees too much credit sometimes. I think the offense could use another playmaker now that Cooks is gone but I don't think the Saints are thinking that.
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