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An Outsiders opinion on Greg Williams
Posted on 2/5/12 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 2/5/12 at 12:31 pm
Greg Williams by no means is a slouch. He is a battle tested and well proven defensive coordinator in this game. I, along with many others here, question some of his calls in the San Fran games, but the man stuck to his guns and ran his attacking defense. Regardless of this blunder, Williams has put up some very solid defenses over the years, even the number four overall ranked defense last year.
So what is causing the disparity you might ask? The simple answer is personnel. The guy is playing with a washed up unit. The starters now are the back ups from the '09 team, Casillas and Dunbar. Vilma is aging at a position that tends to really show its age. The defensive backfield had an important role player in Randall gay, who is now gone and a more youthful Sharper and Harper. Not to mention from that time to the present you also lost Fujita, a major role player that year. To my knowledge there have been no real attempts to upgrade the unit outside of Cam Jordan. Martez Wilson was an excellent pick up in the third round but everyone knew he would be a project. And to make things worse the Saints traded away their future to draft a running back that might be the third best on the team on an offense that centers around Drew Brees, not the running game.
Now, Spagnuolo is faced with the same perils, and I notion you all not to expect much different results until different decisions are made to upgrade the unit as a whole not just a single entity. In the end, you shouldn't be mad at Greg Williams but at your organization for not giving him the pieces to complete the puzzle. Congrats on a great season. Good luck next year.
So what is causing the disparity you might ask? The simple answer is personnel. The guy is playing with a washed up unit. The starters now are the back ups from the '09 team, Casillas and Dunbar. Vilma is aging at a position that tends to really show its age. The defensive backfield had an important role player in Randall gay, who is now gone and a more youthful Sharper and Harper. Not to mention from that time to the present you also lost Fujita, a major role player that year. To my knowledge there have been no real attempts to upgrade the unit outside of Cam Jordan. Martez Wilson was an excellent pick up in the third round but everyone knew he would be a project. And to make things worse the Saints traded away their future to draft a running back that might be the third best on the team on an offense that centers around Drew Brees, not the running game.
Now, Spagnuolo is faced with the same perils, and I notion you all not to expect much different results until different decisions are made to upgrade the unit as a whole not just a single entity. In the end, you shouldn't be mad at Greg Williams but at your organization for not giving him the pieces to complete the puzzle. Congrats on a great season. Good luck next year.
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Posted on 2/5/12 at 12:35 pm to Jarrt476
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Jarrt476
very solid post.
I agree with what you wrote about Spags. He's going to have get some players to play beyond their level.
Posted on 2/5/12 at 12:37 pm to Jarrt476
Spags probably will not leave Vernon Davis covered by only 1 person with the game on the line while the SF WRs hadn't bothered to show up for the game. I love the attacking style, but you have to know when to back off.
Posted on 2/5/12 at 12:43 pm to LSUFanNTX
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I love the attacking style, but you have to know when to back off.
Exactly. Feel free to blitz 5 (with Roman Harper being the 5th) and then do a combination of zone and man coverage (particularly man coverage with zone up top on Vernon Davis who is their Jimmy Graham).
Posted on 2/5/12 at 12:52 pm to Jarrt476
Sorry but I disagree. His defenses have been anything but "solid". If they don't get turnovers they're pretty ineffective. His situational play calling was horrible. Would continuously blitz in two min situations that call for prevent, which almost cost us three more games this last season, and is the main reason for our playoff exit. Overall just very stubborn. I'm pretty glad to see him go.
Posted on 2/5/12 at 12:59 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
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His situational play calling was horrible.
you mean you don't like sending the house up double digits in the 4th against ATL?
Posted on 2/5/12 at 1:17 pm to Jarrt476
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even the number four overall ranked defense last year.
what?
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The starters now are the back ups from the '09 team, Casillas and Dunbar
did you see dunbar play? you train back ups to become starters. justin tuck started as a back up...
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a more youthful Sharper and Harper.
dude, sharper was still old in '09, i wouldnt call him "youthful"
your analysis has some serious flaws. and when were we the 4th ranked defense?
Posted on 2/5/12 at 1:46 pm to BlacknGold
What?
Pretty self explanatory.
I put more in there to emphasize that point.
In certain instances, I agree. The fact of the matter is that Dunbar and the rest of the linebacking core is mediocre at best.
Any other flaws?
Pretty self explanatory.
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a more youthful Sharper and Harper. dude, sharper was still old in '09, i wouldnt call him "youthful"
I put more in there to emphasize that point.
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you train back ups to become starters
In certain instances, I agree. The fact of the matter is that Dunbar and the rest of the linebacking core is mediocre at best.
Any other flaws?
Posted on 2/5/12 at 2:09 pm to Jarrt476
yeah something stats dont show. blowing it when the game is on the line. the reason he gets such a bad rap is because we can play great defense up until the last few minutes.
then we go into a crazy tailspin and blow it with retarded play calls. look at the playoffs the last 2 seasons. pretty much speaks for itself.
then we go into a crazy tailspin and blow it with retarded play calls. look at the playoffs the last 2 seasons. pretty much speaks for itself.
Posted on 2/5/12 at 2:10 pm to BRgetthenet
thanks. rattlehead does great work.
Posted on 2/5/12 at 2:13 pm to Jarrt476
We have used our first pick the last 4 years to bring in a D player. If they aren't good, then part of that falls on GW for his evaluation of talent.
Posted on 2/5/12 at 2:41 pm to BlacknGold
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blowing it when the game is on the line
You hold Williams responsible for the horrible tackling in the Seattle game?
I cannot defend him for the San Fran game. I stated I did not agree with some of those calls. Although, I will say this. A dynamic TE is hard to defend. Vernon Davis, although he is a prima donna, is a game changer. He is a Graham or a Gronk, he just is that good. To GW's defense, how do you defend him? His idea was to match up Jenkins with him and as we all know that went terribly wrong. Jenkins was horrible.
Williams is a good defensive coordinator, hence the reason Payton gave up salary to get him in the door. You cannot blame him for Seattle. SF, I can't defend but it is one game. Williams has proven himself throughout his career.
Posted on 2/5/12 at 2:49 pm to ctalati32
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We have used our first pick the last 4 years to bring in a D player. If they aren't good, then part of that falls on GW for his evaluation of talent.
I feel all of those guys have worked out. They are only 4 of 11 though. I know I just talked about Jenkins playing terrible but that was one game, I can look past that. Also, some of these guys have had injury problems.
You have to keep your role players and bring in people through both free agency and the draft.
Posted on 2/5/12 at 3:25 pm to Jarrt476
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You hold Williams responsible for the horrible tackling in the Seattle game?
We've never been a solid tackling team. So yes, that's something a DC should address if it's a chronic problem.
Posted on 2/5/12 at 5:07 pm to Jarrt476
Back ups or not, it was enough talent to stop a damn scrub like Alex Smith.
This post was edited on 2/5/12 at 5:08 pm
Posted on 2/5/12 at 5:22 pm to Jarrt476
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The defensive backfield had an important role player in Randall gay, who is now gone and a more youthful Sharper and Harper
False. Harper is younger. He was drafted in '06, Gay was an undrafted free agent in '04. Not to mention Gay was a CB and Harper and Sharper are Safeties. He also had injury problems which was a big part in his departure.
Posted on 2/5/12 at 6:56 pm to DCBJR6
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False. Harper is younger. He was drafted in '06, Gay was an undrafted free agent in '04. Not to mention Gay was a CB and Harper and Sharper are Safeties. He also had injury problems which was a big part in his departure.
I was talking about how Sharper and Harper were younger and more "youthful" in '09 than last season. Also, Blue had won Super Bowls with the Pats and brings that mentality to the team.
Posted on 2/5/12 at 7:39 pm to Jarrt476
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had won Super Bowls with the Pats and brings that mentality to the team.
Something that we were somehow missing this year?
Posted on 2/5/12 at 11:41 pm to Jarrt476
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Also, Blue had won Super Bowls with the Pats and brings that mentality to the team.
Yes, you're right, but I think after winning a one as a team you don't have to count on the championship experience players have from other teams. I don't think the experience was part of the SEA/SF losses, mostly inability to execute and close on defense by both the players and coaches.
My bad misunderstanding what you meant about the youth comment. Roman's gray hair can sometimes be very misleading.
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