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2014 (7-9) vs 2015 (7-9)
Posted on 1/7/16 at 7:18 pm
Posted on 1/7/16 at 7:18 pm
As I fan, the end of last year left me with a bad taste in my mouth. To me it felt like the sky was falling, and we were a long way from getting back to the playoffs. Losing 5 straight in the dome brought me back to when I was a teenager and having to endure the 6-10 seasons year after year.
This year I feel different however. At the beginning of the season I wasn't sure where the team was heading, and the heavy roster turnover made me really nervous. I do feel like this team really did grow throughout the season. Yes at times it was frustrating to watch the same mistakes over and over, but overall we had a lot of young players grow up out on the field.
Maybe I'm being a little to optimistic but I really believe Coach Payton when he says we will be back in the playoffs. How do you guys feel with this year vs last year?
This year I feel different however. At the beginning of the season I wasn't sure where the team was heading, and the heavy roster turnover made me really nervous. I do feel like this team really did grow throughout the season. Yes at times it was frustrating to watch the same mistakes over and over, but overall we had a lot of young players grow up out on the field.
Maybe I'm being a little to optimistic but I really believe Coach Payton when he says we will be back in the playoffs. How do you guys feel with this year vs last year?
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Posted on 1/7/16 at 7:22 pm to Bonkers119
I say Go bet a stack on hundreds on the superbowl next season!
I think we improved as the season went on. It is clear that we dont have any D lone talent and need 2 guards.
If we have a good draft this year i could see us sneaking into the playoffs, but i think that in 2 seasons after 2 drafts and experience for the players is when brees can lead us to a superbowl. Gotta draft an elite guard this year and hopefully sign someone like Incognito.
Inwould love treadwell but i say we trade down and go Guard later first and pick 2 studs for the D line with our 2 2nd round picks from trading down.
I think we improved as the season went on. It is clear that we dont have any D lone talent and need 2 guards.
If we have a good draft this year i could see us sneaking into the playoffs, but i think that in 2 seasons after 2 drafts and experience for the players is when brees can lead us to a superbowl. Gotta draft an elite guard this year and hopefully sign someone like Incognito.
Inwould love treadwell but i say we trade down and go Guard later first and pick 2 studs for the D line with our 2 2nd round picks from trading down.
This post was edited on 1/7/16 at 7:25 pm
Posted on 1/7/16 at 7:25 pm to Bonkers119
There's more moments...there's more wins...there's more playoffs...I promise you there will be
This post was edited on 1/7/16 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 1/7/16 at 7:58 pm to Bonkers119
I feel the same way Bonkers. Let's make one more run with Brees and CSP. I think they can get it done.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:43 pm to Bonkers119
I agree
The 2014 team was actually played some good football early in the year, but couldn't close out games. Then, once they got it together and were playing well, the injuries piled up and the attitudes started coming out.
This team grew a lot, and I believe played the most rookie snaps in the NFL (not sure if it ended with that). Hopefully next year is a year we can actually stay semi healthy. The problem is injuries piling up at the same position.
The 2014 team was actually played some good football early in the year, but couldn't close out games. Then, once they got it together and were playing well, the injuries piled up and the attitudes started coming out.
This team grew a lot, and I believe played the most rookie snaps in the NFL (not sure if it ended with that). Hopefully next year is a year we can actually stay semi healthy. The problem is injuries piling up at the same position.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:44 pm to TigerBait1127
I think Browner himself cost us 2 wins, that bitch.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:45 pm to CocoLoco
That titans game
Really wonder what would have happened to our season if Byrd and Lewis don't derp it up. We likely go on to blow them out.
The defense quit against the Redskins, likely b/c they knew Ryan was gone. That Browner play in a tie game
Really wonder what would have happened to our season if Byrd and Lewis don't derp it up. We likely go on to blow them out.
The defense quit against the Redskins, likely b/c they knew Ryan was gone. That Browner play in a tie game
This post was edited on 1/7/16 at 8:46 pm
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:15 pm to Bonkers119
One of the things it seemed we did alot better on was not giving up the huge explosive plays on defense. Now, to take its place, we gave up huge 3rd down penalties on defense,but still. I believe Byrd actually did a good job on what coaches wanted him to do, and that was to prevent the deep bombs like we gave up in 2014, and help double coverage.
We ended 2014 with questions at all LB positions,K,G,C,backup T,CB, and WR. We fixed 2 of LB positions,C, maybe K, and CB. I would be happy with us going all out in draft on Guards, DTs, and a pass rusher. Stay low in FA, with exception of maybe a G.
ETA: We also fixed backup T in 2015. I do feel also, we aren't as desperate for a TE as many on here think we are.
We ended 2014 with questions at all LB positions,K,G,C,backup T,CB, and WR. We fixed 2 of LB positions,C, maybe K, and CB. I would be happy with us going all out in draft on Guards, DTs, and a pass rusher. Stay low in FA, with exception of maybe a G.
ETA: We also fixed backup T in 2015. I do feel also, we aren't as desperate for a TE as many on here think we are.
This post was edited on 1/7/16 at 9:17 pm
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:17 pm to windshieldman
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I believe Byrd actually did a good job on what coaches wanted him to do, and that was to prevent the deep bombs like we gave up in 2014, and help double coverage.
I really wish we were making a change
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:21 pm to TigerBait1127
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I really wish we were making a change
I agree Byrd is paid too much for what he does, but I still think he is a solid FS.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:26 pm to windshieldman
...he meant coaching change
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:34 pm to drake20
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.he meant coaching change
Oh, my bad
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:38 pm to drake20
The most glaring issue that people do not want to admit is that we actually need a strong safety that can cover.
Vaccaro plays so much nickel and close to the LOS that Byrd is left deep to prevent the deep ball and help with coverage on one side. Rewatched a lot of the games and Byrd's problem is that he needs someone else deep to alleviate some pressure to let him roam. Also hurt becuase he was trying to correct for Browner and couldn't make a play on the ball, if he was in position to otherwise.
Sometimes I feel like Vaccaro should/would be better off being an OLB like how St. Louis is using Mark Barron.
Barron: 6'1, 213 lbs, 4.54 40
Vaccaro: 6'0, 214 lbs, 4.63 40
David: 6'1, 233 lbs, 4.65 40
Davis: 6'1, 235 lbs, 4.60 40
I know, the weight is a difference between a traditional OLB and SS (by a good 20lbs), but big catching TEs have taken over and you need a guy who is capable of actually covering those guys while stopping the run. Vaccaro has a good nose for the ball and a pretty surefire tackler. If you can't let him play a traditional SS like he did last year, and failed, then you need to look at getting another SS and go back to the "3 safety" set.
Most importantly though, get more pass rush up front before anything.
Vaccaro plays so much nickel and close to the LOS that Byrd is left deep to prevent the deep ball and help with coverage on one side. Rewatched a lot of the games and Byrd's problem is that he needs someone else deep to alleviate some pressure to let him roam. Also hurt becuase he was trying to correct for Browner and couldn't make a play on the ball, if he was in position to otherwise.
Sometimes I feel like Vaccaro should/would be better off being an OLB like how St. Louis is using Mark Barron.
Barron: 6'1, 213 lbs, 4.54 40
Vaccaro: 6'0, 214 lbs, 4.63 40
David: 6'1, 233 lbs, 4.65 40
Davis: 6'1, 235 lbs, 4.60 40
I know, the weight is a difference between a traditional OLB and SS (by a good 20lbs), but big catching TEs have taken over and you need a guy who is capable of actually covering those guys while stopping the run. Vaccaro has a good nose for the ball and a pretty surefire tackler. If you can't let him play a traditional SS like he did last year, and failed, then you need to look at getting another SS and go back to the "3 safety" set.
Most importantly though, get more pass rush up front before anything.
This post was edited on 1/7/16 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:42 pm to htran90
Deone Buchanan Cards is a better example, and I agree with u wholeheartedly
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:46 pm to htran90
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Most importantly though, get more pass rush up front before anything.
That solves most of the problems. As I said in my earlier post, we did better on not giving up the deep ball but teams had a field day on dink and dunks against us. A pass rush will help alot, but I hope Kikaha and Anthony can keep developing in coverage and Ellerbe can stay healthy. Pass coverage just seems to take longer for a LB to develop in the NFL than say stopping the run or blitzing. Don't know anything about Tull other than him being a pass rusher, not sure how he was in coverage in college.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 10:04 pm to drake20
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Deone Buchanan Cards is a better example, and I agree with u wholeheartedly
To me, in some games I have watched, Bucannon and Mathieu seemed to flip flop where they go. By design or by instinct and communication I don't know.
What I do know is between Johnson, Bucannon, and Mathieu were able to play instinctively to make a play on the ball instead of playing to prevent a big play from happening (ala Byrd). It isn't like Arizona's pass rush is heads and shoulders above everyone else's either. If they had Carolina or Denver's pass rush with their backfield, they would be arguably better than Seattle and Carolina.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 11:34 pm to htran90
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I know, the weight is a difference between a traditional OLB and SS (by a good 20lbs), but big catching TEs have taken over and you need a guy who is capable of actually covering those guys while stopping the run. Vaccaro has a good nose for the ball and a pretty surefire tackler. If you can't let him play a traditional SS like he did last year, and failed, then you need to look at getting another SS and go back to the "3 safety" set.
Most importantly though, get more pass rush up front before anything.
I agree with this. Kikaha was playing well in the strictly pass rush role at the beginning of the season, then they started using him alot in coverage which took his away his strength. Vaccaro would take that short and intermediate cover area and Kikaha can stay on the line.
Posted on 1/8/16 at 12:16 am to tigersint
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but i think that in 2 seasons after 2 drafts and experience for the players is when brees can lead us to a superbowl
Brees would be 39 when that Super Bowl is played.
Posted on 1/8/16 at 12:41 am to BayouBengals03
It's not like old QBs haven't won before 
Posted on 1/8/16 at 12:47 am to LosLobos111
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It's not like old QBs haven't won before
Brees would be the oldest in history.
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