Zion 7 of 17, all from 2, with 6 TO’s

He is a good not great player.
We have a bunch of that.
Too bad, with a better coach, maybe it would work

You are an idiot if you think Zion was the problem. Willie schemed him out the game again and put him in the corner. He also sat him for 7 min in the third. I hate Willie green

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You are an idiot if you think Zion was the problem. Willie schemed him out the game again and put him in the corner

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He schemed himself out of the game as had been the case since the second Kings game. Teams have coached up their players to let him go left to meet a second or 3rd defender.

His first few years he shot 60% or higher in nearly every single game. It was a shock when he didn’t. Now, he regularly has lines below 50%.

His first game of his entire career was his best 3 point shooting performance.

FT shooting has declined.

He’s developed nothing halfway thru his 5th NBA season. That’s kind of unheard of.

His defense is as bad as it has been, which is one of the worst defensive ratings in the league.

His rebounding has not improved and he’s not been a rebounder in general in his career, apart from his last 4-5 games where that’s one area that maybe a light bulbs come on.

He can’t have the ball at the end of the game, as he turns it over, missed free throws and is predictable in a late game situation on how to set up your D.

He’s never made a game winning shot thru 5 seasons.

Tell me how Willie schemed him out though.

People want the easy out and blame it on Zion. Hes not blameless but its not just him. Willie’s coaching has been horrendous. BI still has a propensity to take dumb shots. CJ still plays as this one on one scoring guard and not a vet point guard late in games we need him to be. Herb has played pretty horribly these past 5 games. Dyson has not improved on offense at all this season. Larry’s injury has killed our center depth. Hawkins for some reason isn’t getting minutes and Matt Ryan getting hurt has hurt our shooting even more. Trey has played well when the ball moves to him but he’s literally the fifth option on this team and has no plays run for him which again is a coaching issue. Jose and Naji are getting way too many minutes for players that are strictly energy players.

At the end of the day the team has no identity and players seems almost perplexed what their roles are. The team has zero chemistry and everything seems like a struggle. To me a lot of this falls on coaching. I just think the problem is Willie Green doesn’t see this as an issue and thinks its the players who haven’t grown or need to be better. But this is a Willie Green problem and will only change once Willie is gone.

I think to be fair to Griff he hadn’t seen this team healthy for a full season. Well now he is and he’ll have no excuses this offseason. Ingram extension, Trey extension, JV contract and Willies contract. What he does with those issues will define this team moving forward. Personally I think he’ll just bring in a new coach.

The biggest disappointment I have with Zion is how mentally weak he is say what you want about BI and CJ but at least there not scared to fail like Zion. That's why dude is afraid to shoot 3's and mid range. He always talks about the work he puts in on his game but we never see it on the court.

He gives us a little flash of improvement in his bag but always revert back to his old ways. Remember that Minny game when he single handedly won it for us dude hit a huge 3 with less than two minutes I mean he stepped into it with confidence and it was pure never shot a 3 in a situation like that since.

This year dude has hit two mid range jumpers in clutch situations vs Denver and Charlotte you would think doing that in those moments would have giving him the confidence to take that shot more, nope let me drive into 3 dudes. Like if dude even just developed a simple floater or basic 2 feet stop jump hook he would be unstoppable but he bails team out just trying for layups.

Zion cannot do what he does when he’s facing 3 guys in the paint every possession because the coach refuses to play lineups with 4 shooters around him.

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This dude is overrated as hell.

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23 points 11 rebounds and is overrated. Take some of those missed or TOs and have him called like other players and he certainly has less misses or turnovers. For almost any other player, they are free throws or sideout instead of misses/TOs.

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You are an idiot if you think Zion was the problem. Willie schemed him out the game again and put him in the corner. He also sat him for 7 min in the third. I hate Willie green

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It pisses me off to constantly come to this board and see the same idiots blaming every loss on Zion no matter what he does in the game. It is as if he can never do any right because of certain biases that many have regardless. Anyone who actually watched the game (instead of waking up and reading a boxscore to form their opinions) would not be blaming this loss on Zion in the least.

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23 points 11 rebounds and is overrated. Take some of those missed or TOs and have him called like other players and he certainly has less misses or turnovers. For almost any other player, they are free throws or sideout instead of misses/TOs.

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So you think Zion is not overrated, and you always thought he was this level of good?

That's odd considering how he's a MUCH worse player than year 2 Zion. I'm curious as to what you saw that made you know he'd be this much worse 3 years later that you did not overrate him and everyone else did overrate him and thought he was as good as year 2 Zion?