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re: Why it's not time to panic or jump off the bandwagon
Posted on 11/4/18 at 9:45 am to TigerinATL
Posted on 11/4/18 at 9:45 am to TigerinATL
The wing they need to help is a guy who can shoot, create some off the bounce, defend any number of perimeter guys, rebound, and help protect the rim. So basically, Kawhi
A Bazemore taking Hill's minutes and moving Moore to guard more often helps, but it doesn't solve the fundamental issue staring this team in the face:
Demps did a great job building a starting unit with complementary skill sets that makes sense given system and style of play. He hasn't gotten there with his bench units
Isn't that true of the first 2 games as well?
A Bazemore taking Hill's minutes and moving Moore to guard more often helps, but it doesn't solve the fundamental issue staring this team in the face:
Demps did a great job building a starting unit with complementary skill sets that makes sense given system and style of play. He hasn't gotten there with his bench units
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definition of a small sample size that is compromised by unusual data points
Isn't that true of the first 2 games as well?
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Posted on 11/4/18 at 9:48 am to Crewz
Randle s injury is one of most common causes of inconsistent play.
Don’t think it’s his “true colors”
I wonder if Demps is revisiting the ATL deal.
Don’t think it’s his “true colors”
I wonder if Demps is revisiting the ATL deal.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 10:10 am to Crewz
Personally I’m fricking sick of hearing “it’s a long season”.
That’s loser talk. It matters how you play in stretches. Losing 5 in a row and looking like shite doing it is never acceptable.
That’s loser talk. It matters how you play in stretches. Losing 5 in a row and looking like shite doing it is never acceptable.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 10:19 am to corndeaux
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Isn't that true of the first 2 games as well?
Sure but I don’t think those games showed us anything new other than Houston isn’t a lock for a top seed.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 10:37 am to Fun Bunch
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Personally I’m fricking sick of hearing “it’s a long season”.
That’s loser talk. It matters how you play in stretches. Losing 5 in a row and looking like shite doing it is never acceptable.
Maybe if you're GS---but every other team will go thru that during the season
Posted on 11/4/18 at 10:59 am to corndeaux
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Demps did a great job building a starting unit with complementary skill sets that makes sense given system and style of play. He hasn't gotten there with his bench units
told youse before game 1.
Pels have Nice starters.
No 3 w serious d guy though.
Either by injury or a well played game vs deep teams, you see the effect of deep/thin bench.
End of quarter. Starting 2nd quarter. Starting 4th qtr.
Just 3 or 4 minutes. Suddenly down.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 11:32 am to TigerinATL
Maybe not new (though i'd push back on that some- Pels post Boogie were not an offensive juggernaut. They won with defense), but that's the team at it's absolute peak with everything going right.
Using that play and those numbers as a baseline for who they are is just as problematic as looking at the last handful of games and doing the same.
Injury context matters, obviously. But so do absurdly good shooting performances.
They are somewhere in between the hot start the slump. Lots to figure out and work on, but they can get there.
Using that play and those numbers as a baseline for who they are is just as problematic as looking at the last handful of games and doing the same.
Injury context matters, obviously. But so do absurdly good shooting performances.
They are somewhere in between the hot start the slump. Lots to figure out and work on, but they can get there.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 11:54 am to corndeaux
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They won with defense
I've been preaching that all offseason when everyone tried to build rotations to maximize half court offense. The Pels don't want to create half court offense, they want to create transition offense with their defense. If Payton's return and AD getting back to normal don't right the ship then it would be time to panic. But when the team's scheme is defense first and injuries have forced them to give more minutes to some of it's worst defenders because the better ones are injured, it's not going to be pretty.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 11:54 am to Crewz
Agree with all points. The defense was pretty good last season once they got in their roll post Boogie. The personnel is the mostly the same.
Davis’ effort on defense has been poor to his standards. That worries me. Based on his comments, he seems as if he believes things should come easy to him. He should be surrounded by hall of famers so his team is guaranteed to win and he doesn’t have to try as hard. Not saying this is necessarily true but it is a bad look.
If he wants to be considered the best player then it is fair to criticize when he doesn’t come close to living up to it. He is simply not doing his part and it sounds like he simply blaming his teammates. Maybe the team’s lackluster performance was in part due to his comments? It was an insult to the rest of the team.
Davis’ effort on defense has been poor to his standards. That worries me. Based on his comments, he seems as if he believes things should come easy to him. He should be surrounded by hall of famers so his team is guaranteed to win and he doesn’t have to try as hard. Not saying this is necessarily true but it is a bad look.
If he wants to be considered the best player then it is fair to criticize when he doesn’t come close to living up to it. He is simply not doing his part and it sounds like he simply blaming his teammates. Maybe the team’s lackluster performance was in part due to his comments? It was an insult to the rest of the team.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 12:17 pm to TigerinATL
Right. They should start with defense. But the defense hasnt been good all year, unless Davis is on the court, otherwise it is a disaster
They won games because they outscored teams. In wins 120 ORating, 110 Drating. In losses 105 and 117 respectively. That 110 number is good for 17th/18th league wide.
Also add, last year they were middle of pack in transition % according to cleaning the glass. What they do is a little differwnt- Tempo is important, force the defense to scramble, find the crack, and attack, but that isn't necessarily transition buckets. And they didn't force a ton of TOs to create transistion buckets either
They won games because they outscored teams. In wins 120 ORating, 110 Drating. In losses 105 and 117 respectively. That 110 number is good for 17th/18th league wide.
Also add, last year they were middle of pack in transition % according to cleaning the glass. What they do is a little differwnt- Tempo is important, force the defense to scramble, find the crack, and attack, but that isn't necessarily transition buckets. And they didn't force a ton of TOs to create transistion buckets either
Posted on 11/4/18 at 8:53 pm to corndeaux
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not time to panic
Our best player has been injured and/or out during the losing streak where we played several west playoff teams on the road.
Payton and Miller have also been out, which kills our thin guard depth. Which would be even more concerning except...
Our front court depth will frick a lot of teams up. We're getting rebounds and getting to the line when AD plays. It's a small sample size but it's only been 9 games, and AD will be healthy soon enough.
Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:17 pm to whatiknowsofar
Does anyone even know details on his injury? When did it happen? What is the injury exactly? I get not being an open book but this franchise sure is cryptic when it comes to injury management.
Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:26 pm to Stxpel
It's a sprained ankle. I believe he hurt it in an earlier game, but Gentry pulled him from the Utah game because he didn't like the way he looked. He should be back soon. I believe the initial expectations were about 2 weeks which would be Saturday.
Posted on 11/5/18 at 3:13 pm to TigerinATL
Need to right the ship and get a damn W.
Posted on 11/5/18 at 4:29 pm to Solo
It was reported that Elfrid May come back against Portland on Thursday. 5 days have passed and he’s still not out there. Did he break his ankle? It’s strange how some players can play through ankle sprains and some are out for 3 weeks.
Posted on 11/5/18 at 4:42 pm to Garden of Asik
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It was reported that Elfrid May come back against Portland on Thursday.
Even though Marc Spears is a news breaker I never trusted that tweet. He posted it at the same time Pels beat writers were noting that Payton was absent from shoot around suggesting there was no way he'd play the next night.
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It’s strange how some players can play through ankle sprains
He was playing through it and Gentry pulled him.
Posted on 11/5/18 at 8:16 pm to corndeaux
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last year they were middle of pack in transition % according to cleaning the glass.
this is holding up this year as well. what I forgot to add is that they were a very good half court offense- post Cousins they were 6th at 96 points per play in the half court (#1 was 101) and 13th in points per play in transition at 121 (#1 was 129). they were 14th in transition play frequency at 15.5% of their possessions in transition (#1 was 20%).
This year, they are 3rd in the league in Half Court ppp at 100 (#1 is 106). Last in the league in Transition ppp at 88 (#1 is at 139). Their transition frequency is 14th again and at 15.5%. That points per play should go up; imagine no Payton and Davis has hurt that a bit, but tbd if it will be above middle of the pack
The one thing that has been interesting is their dedication to the offensive glass this year. PPP their is #2 at 127 this year (they were #1 at 126 post Boogie last year). Last year they were 28th in putback plays/miss at 14 per 100 missed fgs. This year they are #2 at 21 puback plays/miss.
Posted on 11/8/18 at 12:04 pm to corndeaux
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The one thing that has been interesting is their dedication to the offensive glass this year. PPP their is #2 at 127 this year (they were #1 at 126 post Boogie last year). Last year they were 28th in putback plays/miss at 14 per 100 missed fgs. This year they are #2 at 21 puback plays/miss.
Good read from cleaning the glass (free) with Kanter explaining his offensive rebounding prowess.
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Kanter found himself holding the ball with his back to the basket and Caris LeVert on his hip. It was the type of scenario NBA centers dream about—an isolation opportunity against a smaller player. Most big men would have backed LeVert deep into the post and then tried to punish him around the basket.
Instead, Kanter took one dribble and kicked the ball out to Trey Burke.
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The moment he released the pass, Kanter sprinted directly under the basket. Burke launched a three-pointer, and when it clanged off the rim, Kanter gobbled up the offensive rebound and converted the putback to give the Knicks a one-point lead.
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With more teams emphasizing switching on defense, Kanter has found himself in that situation with increasing frequency.
Posted on 11/8/18 at 12:08 pm to corndeaux
There were several times last night I noticed no Pels anywhere near the basket on a missed shot. Have they changed the offensive rebounding scheme to prioritize transition defense again?
Posted on 11/8/18 at 12:31 pm to TigerinATL
I can recall several times they were around the basket, and did not hustle back on defense, mainly the 3 bigs, but that was likely b/c they were tired at that point. I was also impressed with AD challenging shots under the goal, then beating everyone down the court somehow and getting a bucket. he did that 3 or 4 times last night and I remember saying, how the hell is he already under our goal after he just tried blocking the shot on defense?
Guys like Diallo and Johnson should be in there all the time, and should be sprinting back after. If you only play for 5 minutes at a time, bust your arse on both ends.
Guys like Diallo and Johnson should be in there all the time, and should be sprinting back after. If you only play for 5 minutes at a time, bust your arse on both ends.
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