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Who's #2?
Posted on 9/2/15 at 11:11 am
Posted on 9/2/15 at 11:11 am
What player besides AD will put the team on his back and have the most 30+ point games this year? Because of all the missed games I prorated how often the likely suspects had a 30 point game last season.
Jrue 1 every 20 games
Tyreke 1 every 26.3 games
Ryno 1 every 30.5 games
Gordon 1 every 61 games
It's not as cut and dried as it appears to be. Jrue's health is a question mark, Tyreke may be coming of the bench if Jrue is healthy, Ryno seems like a good fit for the offense and Gordon was once a cornerstone Gentry wanted to build around.
Jrue 1 every 20 games
Tyreke 1 every 26.3 games
Ryno 1 every 30.5 games
Gordon 1 every 61 games
It's not as cut and dried as it appears to be. Jrue's health is a question mark, Tyreke may be coming of the bench if Jrue is healthy, Ryno seems like a good fit for the offense and Gordon was once a cornerstone Gentry wanted to build around.
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Posted on 9/2/15 at 11:20 am to TigerinATL
There really is no doubt that Evans is the 2nd best player on the team. He is a force of nature and just takes everything over. He'll probably never mix with Holiday or Gordon. But they can't keep him on the bench long. He always finds his way into major minutes. He won't have many 30 point games though. He just isn't a big scorer. If i have to choose, i guess I'll go Gordon, as far as 30ppg performances. I just think that Holiday and Anderson will have much diminished roles, so they won't have as many opportunities..
Posted on 9/2/15 at 11:35 am to TigerinATL
Tyreke in the 1st half of the season
Jrue in the 2nd half when I assume he'd be healthy and he's off the minute restriction
Jrue in the 2nd half when I assume he'd be healthy and he's off the minute restriction
Posted on 9/2/15 at 11:39 am to brmark70816
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He'll probably never mix with Holiday or Gordon.
I don't know how to find the info, but I remember that the Jrue/Reke backcourt had great numbers in 13/14.
Posted on 9/2/15 at 11:47 am to brmark70816
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He'll probably never mix with Holiday or Gordon.
This was proven false with gordon when the 2 started together.
EGs outside shooting and shot creating off ball is quite nice.
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I just think that Holiday and Anderson will have much diminished roles, so they won't have as many opportunities..
Jrue will be eased in a bit but will be a major factor. We need his defense against the guards in the west and his overall solidarity.
Excited/Curious to see how Ryno does in gentry's system.
Posted on 9/2/15 at 11:50 am to THRILLHO
Holiday missed alot of that season and Evans was horrible at first. But maybe there was a stretch of games in-between. Evans is a pg or just thinks he is, so it takes the ball away from Holiday. I don't think its a great mix but don't have any better ideas on how to mix them. Its almost like you have to play Evans at the point then throw an undersized SG out there to D up the other teams PG. Maybe somebody like a Lou Williams. Rockets kind of face the same thing with Harden. Thats why getting Lawson was such a big thing. They kind of fit together..
Posted on 9/2/15 at 11:54 am to brmark70816
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Harden
he's efficient unlike Tyreke though....so they have that going for them
Posted on 9/2/15 at 11:58 am to LosLobos111
I won't debate that. Gordon did take a major step back though and really just became a role player. It did work though. Its just not optimizing Gordon's potential.
I think alot of people point to Frye's success of how a stretch 4/5 can fit in that offense. So we will see. I remember it was a huge surprise when he did so well. But the Suns had no other frontcourt options at the time and it was kind of a flash in the pan. Frye faded away.
I think alot of people point to Frye's success of how a stretch 4/5 can fit in that offense. So we will see. I remember it was a huge surprise when he did so well. But the Suns had no other frontcourt options at the time and it was kind of a flash in the pan. Frye faded away.
Posted on 9/2/15 at 12:06 pm to brmark70816
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Holiday missed alot of that season and Evans was horrible at first. But maybe there was a stretch of games in-between.
That ankle injury nagged tyreke for a good bit IIRC.
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Evans is a pg or just thinks he is, so it takes the ball away from Holiday. I don't think its a great mix but don't have any better ideas on how to mix them. Its almost like you have to play Evans at the point then throw an undersized SG out there to D up the other teams PG. Maybe somebody like a Lou Williams. Rockets kind of face the same thing with Harden. Thats why getting Lawson was such a big thing. They kind of fit together..
Jrue really doesn't need the ball all that much. He's a damn good outside shooter and is perfectly fine size wise to play the 2. Gentry could also have Qpon defend PGs/SGs(he was very good defending PG/SGs) and of course cole/gee. We'll see what erman comes up with on the D side but it should be fine.
Lawson/Harden seem kind of eh to me together. It's going to be an adjustment(egowise and skillswise).
Posted on 9/2/15 at 12:14 pm to TigerinATL
I really don't know who is a "2nd Best Player" but IMO the only other guy who can put the team on his back is Reke w/o a doubt.
Reke has his flaws but he is really an important guy to have reg season success and a good seed going into the playoffs.
He plays every night.
He can play on the ball and off.
He can be instant offense with the 2s w/o really much help.
There are nights when he is unguardedable.
He does have a # of bad nights but the others can pick up the slack when he does.
Reke has his flaws but he is really an important guy to have reg season success and a good seed going into the playoffs.
He plays every night.
He can play on the ball and off.
He can be instant offense with the 2s w/o really much help.
There are nights when he is unguardedable.
He does have a # of bad nights but the others can pick up the slack when he does.
Posted on 9/2/15 at 12:19 pm to STEVED00
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I really don't know who is a "2nd Best Player" but IMO the only other guy who can put the team on his back is Reke w/o a doubt.
The subject may not have made this clear, but this is the angle I'm going for, not the 2nd best player, but who's going to take over a game the most times besides AD.
Posted on 9/2/15 at 12:27 pm to TigerinATL
That's what I figured. I think Jrue/EG are capable but they don't give off the "I've got this" vibe if that makes any sense.
Then there are those nights when Ryno can throw up hooks shots from mid court that would hit the bottom of the net. They were fewer are farther btwn last year, but when it happens the team knew to give him the ball.
Then there are those nights when Ryno can throw up hooks shots from mid court that would hit the bottom of the net. They were fewer are farther btwn last year, but when it happens the team knew to give him the ball.
Posted on 9/2/15 at 12:30 pm to brmark70816
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I won't debate that. Gordon did take a major step back though and really just became a role player. It did work though. Its just not optimizing Gordon's potential.
EG will look better under a coach that can really use him. He mightily struggled under the basket(I blame the shoulder) and if he gets that back to just average,things will take off for him. He's got the shooting down pat obviously.
I'm optimistic
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I think alot of people point to Frye's success of how a stretch 4/5 can fit in that offense. So we will see. I remember it was a huge surprise when he did so well. But the Suns had no other frontcourt options at the time and it was kind of a flash in the pan. Frye faded away.
He was still pretty good the year after they won 54 games(12.7 PPG on 39% from 3, gortat was added as well) and the next year averaged 10.5 PPG(played 7 less minutes due to shoulder injuries acting up)
Ryno is a bit more than just a shooter(gentry has said as much and would like to post him up a bit more) so him continuing to work on that will help. He had a down year but I'm confident gentry will create opportunities for him and he'll be a factor.
Posted on 9/2/15 at 4:29 pm to TigerinATL
AD is obviously the man.
But...Reke is the only other player who will go out there and consistently win games for us.
He will also lose us a couple of games.
Hopefully Jrue can carry much of the water during the regular season. However, Reke and AD are mismatches for opposing teams/coaches. Come playoff time, mismatches and the 3-ball are what matter most. (Weird not typing defense re the playoffs, but going small lessens it's importance via rim protection etc. Still obviously have to play solid D.)
But...Reke is the only other player who will go out there and consistently win games for us.
He will also lose us a couple of games.
Hopefully Jrue can carry much of the water during the regular season. However, Reke and AD are mismatches for opposing teams/coaches. Come playoff time, mismatches and the 3-ball are what matter most. (Weird not typing defense re the playoffs, but going small lessens it's importance via rim protection etc. Still obviously have to play solid D.)
Posted on 9/2/15 at 4:58 pm to TigerinATL
Ajinca is going to have a huge season im calling it now. I've been a fan before anybody on this board when I watched him in dallas when I was going to high school. He's still somewhat young and is improving so fast.
I'll say it now and I'll say it again and again and again until people agree with me. ASIK is the worst thing that happened to this team and you thought it was bad last year? Wait until he has to run his slow sorry ASSSS up and down the floor. It won't be pretty.
The ONLY reason why he was resigned was to make sure we got "something" for the draft pick. He doesn't fit the style and he doesn't fit the blue collar grit that this team has developed since QP came. Im not saying Ajinca does, but don't be surprised when they have very similar numbers throughout the season.
As for the original question I don't think we have or need a number 2 guy, we have like 3 number 2 guys. The most important player that needs to perform other than AD is Ryan Anderson. I would put Ajinca as number 2 because we know what we are getting from a healthy jrue, gordon, tyreke.
I'll say it now and I'll say it again and again and again until people agree with me. ASIK is the worst thing that happened to this team and you thought it was bad last year? Wait until he has to run his slow sorry ASSSS up and down the floor. It won't be pretty.
The ONLY reason why he was resigned was to make sure we got "something" for the draft pick. He doesn't fit the style and he doesn't fit the blue collar grit that this team has developed since QP came. Im not saying Ajinca does, but don't be surprised when they have very similar numbers throughout the season.
As for the original question I don't think we have or need a number 2 guy, we have like 3 number 2 guys. The most important player that needs to perform other than AD is Ryan Anderson. I would put Ajinca as number 2 because we know what we are getting from a healthy jrue, gordon, tyreke.
Posted on 9/2/15 at 5:09 pm to MrPel
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Wait until he has to run his slow sorry ASSSS up and down the floor. It won't be pretty.
Asik's best season came when he played for Houston in 2013. Where did Houston rank that year in pace?
Posted on 9/2/15 at 5:50 pm to JohnnyKilroy
I've never seen a player get more praise or recognition for one season than Asik's one magical season in Houston. Its just amazing..
Posted on 9/2/15 at 5:54 pm to brmark70816
Or his seasons in Chicago as an extremely solid defensive piece backup to Noah.
He's a very solid defensive big, stop expecting so much outside of that and we won't have a problem.
He's a very solid defensive big, stop expecting so much outside of that and we won't have a problem.
Posted on 9/2/15 at 6:04 pm to htran90
12 million a year for somebody who only defends? 12 million for somebody who will not be on the floor in the last 5-6 min of the 4th? LOL really? In the LONG RUN it was a bad bad bad move. In the short run it obviously won't hurt us tremendously but it def won't help us much.
Posted on 9/2/15 at 6:06 pm to brmark70816
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I've never seen a player get more praise or recognition for one season than Asik's one magical season in Houston. Its just amazing..
It's probably because so many posters think Asik will be worse with faster pace. For some reason these people provide 0 evidence to back up this assertion while dismissing any evidence that is contrary to their assertion.
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