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re: Which player not named AD will benefit most from Gentry hire?
Posted on 6/9/15 at 9:32 pm to 504ByrdGang
Posted on 6/9/15 at 9:32 pm to 504ByrdGang
I think you have to wait and see with Gordon. Gentry was coach of the Phoenix team that wanted to make him a Cornerstone.
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Posted on 6/9/15 at 11:53 pm to LosLobos111
after next season guys
Posted on 6/10/15 at 5:36 am to SammyTiger
He's never going to be an 82 game player, but the knees shouldn't limit him.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 6:21 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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Gordon may not have elite athleticism anymore, but he has become a better shooter, and shooters thrive in Gentry's system
He clearly lost the explosiveness he used to have before the knee injuries but I can see him getting some of that back with another healthy off season. It looks like dude has been working his arse off to get that explosiveness back.
Not saying he'll ever be back to his old self but even a little bit more lift is the difference between him getting stuffed at the rim and a dunk.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 8:04 am to mm2316
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Gordon, and it's not close for me. He should be a great fit in Gentry's system, plus contract year.
Contract year before the salary cap jumps. If Gordon stays healthy and does well in Gentry's system then he will have a pretty good check coming his way from some NBA team.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 8:07 am to LosLobos111
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Ryno has a problem with ball stopping which is a no no in a gentry offense.
More Monty's system than Ryno's problem. Ryno needs to catch and shoot, and Gentry' system should be really good for him.
ETA: EG and Jrue should thrive as well, imo.
This post was edited on 6/10/15 at 8:08 am
Posted on 6/10/15 at 8:35 am to 504ByrdGang
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after next season guys
If he keeps playing the way he finished this year, there is a VERY good chance he comes back and the front office & head coach will have strong interest in bringing him back.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 8:42 am to VOR
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More Monty's system than Ryno's problem
Yup. Often the offense was "dump the ball and now go to work." Anderson doesn't have the skill set to pass out of the post effectively. Asking him to post up is asking him, by design to take a shot.
If you look at the evolution of Harrison Barnes (way too much ISO/post ups last year), you can see how putting guys in their comfort zones makes a world of difference.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 8:55 am to Chad504boy
Posted on 6/10/15 at 9:02 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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If he keeps playing the way he finished this year, there is a VERY good chance he comes back and the front office & head coach will have strong interest in bringing him back.
Turning him into more of a 2 way player a la Wesley Matthews/Klay Thompson probably isn't going to happen, and if you're going to be stuck with a one way player (he may not be a terrible defender but he's not really a good one either), you aren't going to find much better.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 9:33 am to TigerinATL
I don't see Gordon benefitting too much more with this hire. He was already basically our 3pt guy, maybe he'll just get some more shots up in Gentry's offense.
I think it's hard to pin point one guy benefitting the most wit the way this roster is constructed. More up tempo should mean Tyreke isn't trying to run an offense for 20 seconds, Jrue can use athleticism to attack in transition more, etc.
I really think if I had to pinpoint one guy though it'd be Ryno. He just didn't seem to be the type of big man offensively that Monty wanted
I think it's hard to pin point one guy benefitting the most wit the way this roster is constructed. More up tempo should mean Tyreke isn't trying to run an offense for 20 seconds, Jrue can use athleticism to attack in transition more, etc.
I really think if I had to pinpoint one guy though it'd be Ryno. He just didn't seem to be the type of big man offensively that Monty wanted
Posted on 6/10/15 at 9:40 am to TigerinATL
Anderson. Last year was more than him struggling with his shot. He wasn't getting open looks. Oftentimes, the sets we ran for him was him running off a screen or three or a simple pick and pop. It was predictable, and Ryno isn't quick enough to create separation without any element of surprise. I'm hoping the complexity of the offense gets him the Draymond Green/Harrison Barnes looks from downtown and not the Steph Curry looks he was forced into last year.
Runner-Up: Asik. Responsibilities should go up on defense and down on offense with the increased pace.
Runner-Up: Asik. Responsibilities should go up on defense and down on offense with the increased pace.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 9:53 am to ShamelessPel
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Anderson
yap
People still operate under the assumption that Channing Frye is a pretty good basketball player based off his best years playing in Gentry's system in PHO.
Moving the ball to find Ryno an open look is going to benefit him more than just tossing him the ball and saying "shoot" and "create"
Posted on 6/10/15 at 9:58 am to ShamelessPel
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He wasn't getting open looks
And when he was it was because he was 4 feet behind the arc.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:32 am to Chad504boy
Jrue assuming health
Posted on 6/10/15 at 12:41 pm to Chad504boy
My guess would be Jrue, assuming he can stay healthy. He's already an excellent defender and capable scorer, but having a coach that will implement a higher pace offense will give him a lot more opportunities to make plays, whether it's scoring or assisting.
Outside of Jrue, I'd say Ryan Anderson would be next. Gentry was able to morph Channing Frye into an excellent three point shooter, and he doesn't have half of the talent that Anderson does. My guess is that Ryno has a handful more of open looks from three and a green light every time he's there. You might have a couple of misses early in the shot clock resulting in more wasted possessions, but overall they should have way more possessions than previously.
Outside of Jrue, I'd say Ryan Anderson would be next. Gentry was able to morph Channing Frye into an excellent three point shooter, and he doesn't have half of the talent that Anderson does. My guess is that Ryno has a handful more of open looks from three and a green light every time he's there. You might have a couple of misses early in the shot clock resulting in more wasted possessions, but overall they should have way more possessions than previously.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 4:40 pm to Chad504boy
Tyreke, Gordon and Jrue
Posted on 6/13/15 at 10:34 am to trom83
Rodger Sherman on the evolution of Iguodala Good, quick read on how guys can be miscast because they look a certain way or put up "numbers."
To me, this is sort of what needs to happen with Holiday. He's never going to be Nash or Curry or Paul or whomever. I don't think he's as good a decision maker as Conley either. Like Iguodala, he can score, he can create, but those are not his primary skills. Not saying he needs to come off the bench or whatever, but focus more on his strengths since he has Davis and (presumably) Evans and Gordon and Anderson to shoulder most of the scoring load.
And to be fair, I think he was trending in that direction under Monty. Too much ball stopping/pounding, but that's what Monty wanted.
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The result was an Iguodala who produced less in a traditional sense -- he averaged career lows in points, minutes and usage rate -- but did significantly more of what Andre Iguodala was supposed to do: shut opponents down and cede the limelight to the scorers.
To me, this is sort of what needs to happen with Holiday. He's never going to be Nash or Curry or Paul or whomever. I don't think he's as good a decision maker as Conley either. Like Iguodala, he can score, he can create, but those are not his primary skills. Not saying he needs to come off the bench or whatever, but focus more on his strengths since he has Davis and (presumably) Evans and Gordon and Anderson to shoulder most of the scoring load.
And to be fair, I think he was trending in that direction under Monty. Too much ball stopping/pounding, but that's what Monty wanted.
Posted on 6/14/15 at 9:21 am to corndeaux
It's hard to say what Jrue was under Monty. We saw so little, but he looked good at the end of the year. He certainly isn't ad ball-dominant as Tyreke, which is a good thing.
Does Gentry help Davis take the next step and become more of facilitator? That should help Jrue and Gordon with open looks.
Does Gentry help Davis take the next step and become more of facilitator? That should help Jrue and Gordon with open looks.
Posted on 6/14/15 at 10:21 am to Chad504boy
it's jrue and it seriously is not close. jrue has all the talent to be a 20/10//5 point guard with good shooting numbers
he's been trained to be a passive, set-up guy who holds the ball and waits too long. he has not been coached well on efficient, aggressive offense by either team that he's been on so far in his career.
gentry is the first offensive-minded guy and gentry will demand more aggressiveness. if jrue listens, he's fiddin blow up
he's been trained to be a passive, set-up guy who holds the ball and waits too long. he has not been coached well on efficient, aggressive offense by either team that he's been on so far in his career.
gentry is the first offensive-minded guy and gentry will demand more aggressiveness. if jrue listens, he's fiddin blow up
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