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re: What point does our FO re-visit trading CP3?
Posted on 2/20/11 at 2:56 pm to Eman5805
Posted on 2/20/11 at 2:56 pm to Eman5805
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CP3 only used explosiveness as a tool. He didn't base his entire game around it like Derrick Rose or Westbrook.
whoa
cp3's speed/quickness is a MAJOR part of his game, esp on D
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But for God's sake, stop the BS about trading him. We'd only make our team worse.
losing cp3 for nothing would make the team even worse than if we traded him
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Posted on 2/20/11 at 3:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the heat cleared cap and signed guys under that cap. that will ALWAYS be an option you just have to have a team/city that players want to play for
The cap is going to shrink significantly. I just don't think you're going to see these superstars take substantial paycuts to form these superteams.
This post was edited on 2/20/11 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 2/20/11 at 3:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
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whoa
cp3's speed/quickness is a MAJOR part of his game, esp on D
Maybe early on, but as he got seasoned, he stopped going balls to the walls. It's how he got hurt the first time his rookie year.
Not being as explosive, even if that's the case, won't ruin him. His game is FAR more than his athleticism.
Posted on 2/20/11 at 3:31 pm to Eman5805
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Maybe early on, but as he got seasoned, he stopped going balls to the walls. It's how he got hurt the first time his rookie year.
By early on do you mean up until last year before he got injured?
He was always explosive until then and he hasn't been the same since.
Posted on 2/20/11 at 3:38 pm to lsu6294
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The cap is going to shrink significantly.
i don't believe that
i think they increase the cap to around $60-65M and create a hard cap with very limited exceptions
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I just don't think you're going to see these superstars take substantial paycuts to form these superteams.
salaries are going to shrink across the board. everyone will take a paycut regardless of their team or its cap situation
Posted on 2/20/11 at 3:39 pm to Eman5805
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Maybe early on,
when he's not explosive, he's not a super elite player
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Not being as explosive, even if that's the case, won't ruin him.
it will make him a really good, borderline elite guy
Posted on 2/20/11 at 3:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i don't believe that
i think they increase the cap to around $60-65M and create a hard cap with very limited exceptions
The owners want the cap cut drastically and they have more leverage than the players.
Obviously they players are never going to agree to a 33% cut but I think there has to be some cut.
And the hornets, unfortunately ARE the trump card for the NBA. I surely don't think we're going to get contracted, but the fact that they can relatively easily contract us gives the owners enough leverage imo to get much of what they want.
Stern didn't even deny that it was a possibility when bill simmons asked him about it.
This post was edited on 2/20/11 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 2/20/11 at 3:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
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salaries are going to shrink across the board. everyone will take a paycut regardless of their team or its cap situation
Yeah but for another Big 3 type of situation you're going to have to have what happened in miami. The superstars will have to take a paycut (25% of cap vs. 30%) and they'd need to be going to a pretty empty canvas like we saw in Miami so you could attract veteran depth below market value. I think CP3/Dwight going to a 3rd team is a bigger threat to New Orleans than him joining a star on another team.
Posted on 2/20/11 at 4:19 pm to lsu6294
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The owners want the cap cut drastically
well, there isn't really a "cap." the actual salary cap is like $53-55M. it's not that high
cutting off teams' abilities to have $70-100M payrolls is the goal, imho
i don't think it will be possible to lower the cap AND make a hard cap. like i mean with the current contractual obligations out there right now
Posted on 2/20/11 at 4:26 pm to lsu6294
quote:I heard the head of the players union basically dare Stern to play that card
I surely don't think we're going to get contracted, but the fact that they can relatively easily contract us gives the owners enough leverage imo to get much of what they want.
Stern didn't even deny that it was a possibility when bill simmons asked him about it.
Posted on 2/20/11 at 4:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i don't think it will be possible to lower the cap AND make a hard cap. like i mean with the current contractual obligations out there right now
The original offer also said that this cap reduction would apply retroactively.
Posted on 2/20/11 at 4:59 pm to lsu6294
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Posted on 2/20/11 at 5:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Have they discussed how a hard cap and guaranteed contracts would work?
well, there isn't really a "cap." the actual salary cap is like $53-55M. it's not that high
cutting off teams' abilities to have $70-100M payrolls is the goal, imho
i don't think it will be possible to lower the cap AND make a hard cap. like i mean with the current contractual obligations out there right now
For example, the Colts cut Bob Sanders for cap reasons. Possibly to help free up more money to pay Manning.
How would that work in the NBA when contracts are guarantteed whether you cut a guy or not?
A team fills out their roster and are under the cap. Contracts escalate over a few years and they're now over the cap. Would they be able to dump a guy to get under the cap? Or would we start seeing a boat load of trades?
Posted on 2/20/11 at 5:22 pm to eyeran
When Tony Parker resigned with the Spurs this season his guaranteed money gradually declines to about $2-$3 million in the final year. San Antonio is seen as a trend setter and some people feel this may be the direction contracts go. It's kind of the same as a prorated signing bonus in the NFL only it's not an up front lump sum.
Posted on 2/20/11 at 5:23 pm to eyeran
Obviously, the leagues goal is to dump guarantees as we know them in the NBA. A move towards partially guaranteed, etc. However, the players union is going to make that issue a bitter fight.
Posted on 2/20/11 at 5:24 pm to eyeran
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Have they discussed how a hard cap and guaranteed contracts would work?
For example, the Colts cut Bob Sanders for cap reasons. Possibly to help free up more money to pay Manning.
How would that work in the NBA when contracts are guarantteed whether you cut a guy or not?
in the shower thursday morning i figured out this compromise
1. create a hard cap at like $65M. there is one general exception, and that's signing players for 1-year deals for the min. as many as you want. these contracts help both sides
2. eliminate max salary, implement max years. teams can have 1 player with a 5 year deal, 2 players with a 4 year deal. 4 players with 3 year deals. 8 players for 2 years. etc. something like that. in FA, you can sign a guy for 5 years if from your team, and 4 years if from another team. pay the players whatever you want, within the cap
3. teams are given 2 options with rookies. sign them to whatever salary for 5 years, as an exception, if under the cap. if your cap room isn't enough for this, you can opt to sign them for 3 years at a lower,set rate, and it doesn't affect your cap room.
Posted on 2/20/11 at 5:28 pm to TigerinATL
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When Tony Parker resigned with the Spurs this season his guaranteed money gradually declines to about $2-$3 million in the final year. San Antonio is seen as a trend setter and some people feel this may be the direction contracts go
well, honestly, here's how it usually works
players get more years and huge salaries late as "fee" money, to make up for the limitations on salaries early in the contracts
take a 5 year, $60M deal with increasing salaries for a 30-year old player (like a david west, in a year). he'll be making like $14M or so in that last year, at 35. won't be near worth it, but the reason teams do this is b/c they can't pay them big money up front.
allowing teams to go outside of the salary limits, and give shorter deals, will help everyone. a 3-year, $55M deal gets the player what he wants, the team what it needs, and even lowers salary a bit
Posted on 2/20/11 at 6:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
So is a team like the Lakers just SOL in a few years when the're paying Pau and Kobe $50M?
Posted on 2/20/11 at 6:13 pm to eyeran
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So is a team like the Lakers just SOL in a few years when the're paying Pau and Kobe $50M?
this is what i'm wondering about. i have no idea how they handle this shite without simply voiding contracts
Posted on 2/20/11 at 6:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
Its a catch 22 for me.
As much as i dislike the Lakers and think its insane to be paying Kobe $30M+ at the end of that deal, they did do it within the rules that were set at the time. So its probably not fair that they get totally screwed
As much as i dislike the Lakers and think its insane to be paying Kobe $30M+ at the end of that deal, they did do it within the rules that were set at the time. So its probably not fair that they get totally screwed
This post was edited on 2/20/11 at 6:22 pm
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