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The Buzz around DLeague Showcase, Joe Dumars to the Pels
Posted on 1/11/16 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 1/11/16 at 12:58 pm
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Saints GM Mickey Loomis has taken on a greater personnel role above GM Dell Demps, but rival execs understand that move is only temporary. "Mickey is a football guy, not a basketball guy," one exec said. And at the D-League Showcase, the buzz was getting louder that it's only a matter of time before former Pistons executive Joe Dumars -- who has a close relationship with Saints and Pelicans owner Tom Benson -- returns to his native Louisiana to assume control.
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This sounds like it's all just dot connecting speculation, so don't take too much from it other than the blood in the water belongs to Demps.
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Posted on 1/11/16 at 1:02 pm to TigerinATL
Would we be jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire with Dumars?
Posted on 1/11/16 at 1:02 pm to TigerinATL
Joe Dumars built a championship team that went to 5 straight EC Finals.
I'll take that over whatever Dell's doing
I'll take that over whatever Dell's doing
Posted on 1/11/16 at 1:05 pm to TigerinATL
At worst, I hope they move Demps out, maybe just bring him in as a consultant to help shed a bunch of contracts and move guys for picks, and then hire a real up and coming GM this offseason.
Posted on 1/11/16 at 1:05 pm to Let Me Take A Selfie
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The Buzz around DLeague Showcase, Joe Dumars to the Pels by Let Me Take A Selfie
Joe Dumars built a championship team that went to 5 straight EC Finals.
I'll take that over whatever Dell's doing
He then flamed out in a spectacular and crippling fashion and in the end showed an inability to adapt to the new era of basketball.
Demps is bad, Dumars is too.
Posted on 1/11/16 at 1:05 pm to Let Me Take A Selfie
People claim he "destroyed" the franchise with bad moves toward the end. They forget that he built the fricking franchise.
Posted on 1/11/16 at 1:06 pm to NOLA Bronco
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He then flamed out in a spectacular and crippling fashion and in the end showed an inability to adapt to the new era of basketball.
Yup. We are talking epicaly bad decisions, coupled with a variety of quotes and interviews that pretty much proved he was clueless as to the shift in the modern game.
Posted on 1/11/16 at 1:08 pm to Fun Bunch
He's from Natchitoches. He can learn.
Posted on 1/11/16 at 1:13 pm to TigerinATL
You could do a lot worse than Dumars.
Posted on 1/11/16 at 1:14 pm to VOR
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People claim he "destroyed" the franchise with bad moves toward the end. They forget that he built the fricking franchise.
No one is taking that away from him but you also can't just ignore his most recent performances. He made some catastrophic mistakes and showed a failure to grasp where the game was heading and how to adapt optimally.
Posted on 1/11/16 at 1:14 pm to PortCityTiger24
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You could do a lot worse than Dumars.
We could probably also do better.
Posted on 1/11/16 at 1:14 pm to PortCityTiger24
I'm willing to let Joe give it a go. I mean frick it, it CAN'T BE ANY WORSE.
Posted on 1/11/16 at 1:17 pm to Chad504boy
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it CAN'T BE ANY WORSE.
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Posted on 1/11/16 at 1:19 pm to Chad504boy
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it CAN'T BE ANY WORSE.
People often say that just before it actually gets worse. I don't like the Dumars option simply because familiarity with the team is his primary qualification. Is any other team putting Dumars on their short list even? I'd say Danny Ferry and the Golden State assistant GM are the guys to go after if you plan to keep Gentry. Both have experience building the type of high IQ, share the ball team Gentry wants.
Posted on 1/11/16 at 1:20 pm to Chad504boy
Yeah, it kinda can.
Demps hasn't been great but he also hasn't completely crippled our franchise like Dumars did with his signing of Josh Smith, Charlie V and Ben Gordon. Not to mention the Darko Milicic drafting.
Demps hasn't been great but he also hasn't completely crippled our franchise like Dumars did with his signing of Josh Smith, Charlie V and Ben Gordon. Not to mention the Darko Milicic drafting.
Posted on 1/11/16 at 1:26 pm to NOLA Bronco
Don't let him make trades but dude is great at drafting. His last couple of years he drafted
Drummond
Knight
Middleton
KCP
Drummond
Knight
Middleton
KCP
Posted on 1/11/16 at 1:27 pm to TigerinATL
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I'd say Danny Ferry and the Golden State assistant GM are the guys to go after if you plan to keep Gentry. Both have experience building the type of high IQ, share the ball team Gentry wants.
Absolutely.
Danny Ferry might be too controversial though.
Posted on 1/11/16 at 1:37 pm to NOLA Bronco
Every team in the league would've drafted darko at 2 that year. He also drafted tayshaun, Monroe and Drummond, amongst others
He didn't see the writing on the wall with those FAs late in his tenure, but those guys were coming off career years and were hot commodities
He also dealt for Rip, signed Chauncey, brought in Sheed, Ben Wallace etc
More recently bias with dumars. Only the elite can build a title team and maintain it for years. Dude was a gm for a long time and built winners. Played for a long time and was a winner. He can identify personnel and knows the recipe for a winning team
You can certainly knock some moves just like every single GM in the league. The guy's body of work as a whole needs to be judged. Going after Billups and Ben Wallace alone when no one else wanted them is pretty remarkable in and of itself
He didn't see the writing on the wall with those FAs late in his tenure, but those guys were coming off career years and were hot commodities
He also dealt for Rip, signed Chauncey, brought in Sheed, Ben Wallace etc
More recently bias with dumars. Only the elite can build a title team and maintain it for years. Dude was a gm for a long time and built winners. Played for a long time and was a winner. He can identify personnel and knows the recipe for a winning team
You can certainly knock some moves just like every single GM in the league. The guy's body of work as a whole needs to be judged. Going after Billups and Ben Wallace alone when no one else wanted them is pretty remarkable in and of itself
Posted on 1/11/16 at 1:55 pm to GynoSandberg
I think he should get a pass for Josh Smith. It was pretty much the only play he had other than quitting, and who among us would quit a job that pays 7 figures?
Still, when they fire Demps they are back to where they were 4 years ago, needing a GM that they have reason to believe will like and be on the same page with the coach they already have under contract. Maybe Loomis had Joe in the loop on the Gentry decision, nobody eyeing the GM chair would want to fight with JVG or Thibs for power, so I bet Joe gave a big thumbs up on Gentry if he was asked.
Still, when they fire Demps they are back to where they were 4 years ago, needing a GM that they have reason to believe will like and be on the same page with the coach they already have under contract. Maybe Loomis had Joe in the loop on the Gentry decision, nobody eyeing the GM chair would want to fight with JVG or Thibs for power, so I bet Joe gave a big thumbs up on Gentry if he was asked.
This post was edited on 1/11/16 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 1/11/16 at 2:04 pm to TigerinATL
Maybe the time off gave Dumars time to reflect on what went wrong? Maybe he's recharged? Maybe he's done his homework? Idk if he's the right guy for the job? I'm pretty sure Dell isn't.
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