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re: Terrence Jones has agreed to one-year deal with Pelicans
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:09 am to TigerinATL
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:09 am to TigerinATL
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His Defensive Real Plus Minus was terrible last season, but it was positive the previous season. I guess we'll see how serious/permanent the effects of his injury are.
He only played 30 games. The year before it was also abysmal.
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Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:09 am to NOFOX
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His injuries have mostly been of the freak and not recurring variety...peroneal nerve damage, collapsed lung...etc. Maybe with a healthy offseason and a change of scenery
Change of scenery? More like out of the out of the frying pan and into the fryer for anyone with a history of freak injuries coming here. But I agree, he's worth taking a flyer on because if he regains form he's a solid backup PF.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:10 am to Mickey Goldmill
What's your point? PER is an offensive stat. He's miserably bad at defense. That's the problem.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:12 am to Epic Cajun
FWIW there were certain Rockets posters during that 13-14 season saying TJones would be better than AD
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:13 am to TheSexecutioner
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What's your point? PER is an offensive stat. He's miserably bad at defense. That's the problem.
Did you blatantly ignore the second part because it disagrees with the point you are trying to make?
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The thing I like most about Jones game, is that he is actually a two-way player. For his career, he has a 114 offensive rating and an 105 defensive rating. The Pelicans are in desperate, desperate, desperate need of guys who can play on both sides of the court. While Jones isn't a good three point shooter, he is an effective scorer with a career average 51% from the field.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:14 am to Fun Bunch
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K. That's why almost every player they signed this offseason is a good defender than can switch on multiple positions. They clearly traded Offense for Defense this offseason, and good system defenders as well.
Which is actually why this pisses me off. They finally did something to impress me. I was excited about this team as well as the hope that maybe they had figured out offense isn't the problem. Jones not only really hurts the defense. It also signals that maybe we aren't serious about replacing our defensive black holes(Gordon/Ryno) with serviceable defenders. We are now replacing Ryno with literally the only player(besides Derrick Williams) almost as bad as him at defense.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:18 am to TheSexecutioner
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He's miserably bad at defense. That's the problem.
It's a problem if he's starting, it's not a problem if he's a backup. He's not going to get Ryno's 31 MPG, in fact Ryno didn't even get Ryno's 31 MPG once they weren't trying to trade him anymore. The guy that Erman went off on for sucking at defense lost a full 5 minutes a game after the ASB. If Jones is as bad as you fear Erman will be working overtime with Diallo to take those minutes away from Jones.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:18 am to TheSexecutioner
Also PER is not just an offensive stat. It includes field goals, free throws, 3-pointers, assists, rebounds, blocks and steals, missed shots, turnovers and personal fouls.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:19 am to Mickey Goldmill
Defensive rating doesn't control for the things DRPM does. OFF and DEF rating is a trash stat. Tyson Chandler and Michael Jordan are 16th and 17th in all time Offensive Rating.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:21 am to Jwho77
I'll take it
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:23 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Also PER is not just an offensive stat. It includes field goals, free throws, 3-pointers, assists, rebounds, blocks and steals, missed shots, turnovers and personal fouls.
Offensive driven. Playing lock down defense that doesn't even allow your guy to take a shot on you is actually penalized. Because you have less of a chance for a steal or block. If a guy posts Ryno up 20 times, scores 19 buckets and gets blocked once, PER looks at that more favorably than never even trying to challenge a guy because he's such a great defender. Same problem exists with OFF and DEF rating.
Real Plus Minus measures the players effect on a court. The deterrent effect is the most important for defenders. Making them shoot lower percentage shots even though you won't collect any stats for it.
This post was edited on 7/14/16 at 9:24 am
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:24 am to TheSexecutioner
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Jones not only really hurts the defense. It also signals that maybe we aren't serious about replacing our defensive black holes(Gordon/Ryno) with serviceable defenders.
Or MAYBE we are using a minimum to throw a bone to an important agent and star player. Jones is a PF, and at best he'd probably be listed on the depth chart as 3rd behind AD and Hill when they go small ball. You are WAY overreacting to a minimal signing.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:29 am to TheSexecutioner
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Which is actually why this pisses me off. They finally did something to impress me. I was excited about this team as well as the hope that maybe they had figured out offense isn't the problem. Jones not only really hurts the defense. It also signals that maybe we aren't serious about replacing our defensive black holes(Gordon/Ryno) with serviceable defenders. We are now replacing Ryno with literally the only player(besides Derrick Williams) almost as bad as him at defense.
You're being crazy.
Again, he is on a 1 year MINIMUM contract. He is not going to get the minutes you are expecting. If he does, it is because he's playing well.
AD takes up minutes at PF. Hill will play a LOT of small ball 4 for us. DC will get some minutes at 4 here and there. While Diallo will have a limited role, they are going to get him in some games here and there for energy and hustle (and experience), so he will get minutes. shite, Ajinca could get some minutes here and there at 4 if they go big.
He's just not going to get big minutes unless he is playing well. His career Defensive rating isn't even that bad, as bad as he was last year.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:30 am to TigerinATL
What do y'all think our rotation is looking like now?
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:31 am to Mickey Goldmill
As a Rockets fan, I can give you guys the low-down on Terrence Jones.
During the 2013-14 season, he was a pretty decent player. He wasn't good on defense. Average at best. He would get abused by the better PF's in the league but he'd do alright the rest of the time. Not great, but alright. He could sometimes maybe hit the 3 if he was wide open. That's the only time he'd ever shoot it.. when he was wide open for miles and set up for a shot and he had no choice but to take it. And he still only shot 30% from 3. He had a nice little face-up game. Likes to catch on the perimeter, pump fake, drive, spin, and score with a baby hook.
2014-15 he started the season really well... for 4 games. Looking to have his break-out year in his 3rd season, in his 5th game he took a knee to the thigh. For some reason, what is usually just a painful bruise turned into nerve damage. He couldn't move his leg or feel his toes. It took him months to get his movement back starting with trying to move his toe, then his ankle, then his leg, etc. He finally came back near the end of the season and played a few games before catching a knee to the chest on a loose ball and puncturing his lung. That was pretty much a wrap on the season.
2015-2016 (this past season), he just wasn't good. Sucked at everything from defense to shooting to rebounding. It took a while for people to realize that he really sucked because he used to be a decent player. He ended up getting in a car accident during the season. There wasn't much news about it, and it was supposed to be minor. He missed a few games I think after it, and when he came back he sucked even worse. So much so that he was virtually the last guy off the bench. Remember... he was the starter. Think about how bad you have to suck to go from starting to the coach telling you to take a seat and don't even think about getting up.
He sucked so bad that the Rockets just let him walk. I wasn't sure if he was going to even be in the league this next year. Maybe he'd get one more chance on a minimum deal. But he was really really bad. I don't know if was the nerve injury or what... but he wasn't the same. He went from looking at about $15 million per year to getting a 1 year minimum deal.
If he could somehow regain his ability from 2 years ago, he would be a nice addition, especially at that price. But I just don't know... he was really bad this past season, and he should have been past his leg issue.
During the 2013-14 season, he was a pretty decent player. He wasn't good on defense. Average at best. He would get abused by the better PF's in the league but he'd do alright the rest of the time. Not great, but alright. He could sometimes maybe hit the 3 if he was wide open. That's the only time he'd ever shoot it.. when he was wide open for miles and set up for a shot and he had no choice but to take it. And he still only shot 30% from 3. He had a nice little face-up game. Likes to catch on the perimeter, pump fake, drive, spin, and score with a baby hook.
2014-15 he started the season really well... for 4 games. Looking to have his break-out year in his 3rd season, in his 5th game he took a knee to the thigh. For some reason, what is usually just a painful bruise turned into nerve damage. He couldn't move his leg or feel his toes. It took him months to get his movement back starting with trying to move his toe, then his ankle, then his leg, etc. He finally came back near the end of the season and played a few games before catching a knee to the chest on a loose ball and puncturing his lung. That was pretty much a wrap on the season.
2015-2016 (this past season), he just wasn't good. Sucked at everything from defense to shooting to rebounding. It took a while for people to realize that he really sucked because he used to be a decent player. He ended up getting in a car accident during the season. There wasn't much news about it, and it was supposed to be minor. He missed a few games I think after it, and when he came back he sucked even worse. So much so that he was virtually the last guy off the bench. Remember... he was the starter. Think about how bad you have to suck to go from starting to the coach telling you to take a seat and don't even think about getting up.
He sucked so bad that the Rockets just let him walk. I wasn't sure if he was going to even be in the league this next year. Maybe he'd get one more chance on a minimum deal. But he was really really bad. I don't know if was the nerve injury or what... but he wasn't the same. He went from looking at about $15 million per year to getting a 1 year minimum deal.
If he could somehow regain his ability from 2 years ago, he would be a nice addition, especially at that price. But I just don't know... he was really bad this past season, and he should have been past his leg issue.
This post was edited on 7/14/16 at 9:39 am
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:32 am to TigerinATL
One year deal for the minimum? JFC, people here will bitch about anything. Who is going to sign for the minimum that is much better than TJ?
So many Fletcher Mackels here.
Flip Reke for two firsts, max Batum, championship. It's so easy. Lord.
So many Fletcher Mackels here.
Flip Reke for two firsts, max Batum, championship. It's so easy. Lord.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:32 am to Jwho77
I like it because he and AD are besties. We need to stroke that AD dick as much as possible
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:34 am to PrimeTime Money
Yeah, that's kind of what I've been hearing. On a minimum deal I'm fine with it. Its the 14th roster spot, those guys don't play a whole lot on semi-competent teams.
If he regains form, great. If not, we threw a bone to our star and a valuable agent. No big deal.
Heck, we don't even know if this contract is fully guaranteed, do we?
If he regains form, great. If not, we threw a bone to our star and a valuable agent. No big deal.
Heck, we don't even know if this contract is fully guaranteed, do we?
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:40 am to tigerforever7
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What do y'all think our rotation is looking like now?
I'm not going to get into minutes, and the way this roster is constructed, I think it is VERY fluid depending on the matchups and flow of the game. That's what I love about this roster so much. It also depends on Reke's injury.
However, I'll go with this, reflecting possible matchups, small ball, 3 Guard, etc lineups:
Jrue/Galloway/Moore/Frazier
Moore/Hield/QPon/(Reke)
Hill/QPon/DC/Moore/Jones/(Reke)
AD/Hill/DC/Diallo/Jones
Asik/Ajinca/AD/Diallo
I think you can flip DC and Jones depending on how Jones is feeling and playing. If Reke is healthy he moves towards the front of the SG and SF positions to showcase until he can be moved.
I see a finishing lineup of:
Jrue
Hield/Moore (matchup)
QPon
Hill
AD
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:55 am to TheSexecutioner
Another troll, just ignore this clown..
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