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Team age/Roster construction

Posted on 11/7/15 at 12:00 pm
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
9796 posts
Posted on 11/7/15 at 12:00 pm
I found this page that supposedly captures all the teams' ages for this season 15-16 (LINK ). A couple of interesting/disturbing things I saw..

- Average NO team age is 27.4. That would put us as the 12th oldest team in the league (GS is younger at 27.3).

- Only one player on the roster that was drafted (I know about Poindexter, but he doesn't count). Only team in the league. Every other team in the league has at least 3 (other than Dallas that only has 2).

Not on the page, but something I just saw. NO is the only team in the league to only have one player under the age of 25 (LINK ). If you go up to 26, all you can add is Holiday. So that is 2 players under the age of 26. Which, once again, only team in the league. For some perspective, we just played the Hawks. They had 5 players under the age of 25 (S. Mack is 25, if you go up to 26).

It's just a really strange rebuild, when you end up really kind of old and have no young prospects to speak of..
Posted by KindaRaw
Member since Jun 2014
3963 posts
Posted on 11/7/15 at 12:20 pm to
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It's just a really strange rebuild, when you end up really kind of old and have no young prospects to speak of..

Dell Demps is a fricking genius.
Posted by Hazelnut
Member since May 2011
16433 posts
Posted on 11/7/15 at 12:47 pm to
Weren't we one of the youngest like a year or two ago?

To me, 12th oldest means this team is full of players in their prime. When dell signed them they were just getting in their prime. Unfortunately, it doesn't matter if a player is in his prime if he's always hurt
This post was edited on 11/7/15 at 12:50 pm
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
115963 posts
Posted on 11/7/15 at 1:06 pm to
I liked Dell's idea for the rebuild around AD.

But I'm getting close to the point where I say it just didn't work out.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61516 posts
Posted on 11/7/15 at 1:16 pm to
I think Demps has done a good job of replacing the cheap depth you get out of the young draft picks with reclamation projects like Roberts/Babbitt/Cunningham/Ajinca. The problem with that strategy is there is no future in it. You don't have the long term contractual control so if they get good you can't keep them cheaply enough or trade them (see Brian Roberts). I'm not sure if we're done trading picks, we still need another starter, so I could see trading the pick for a 2 way starting SF, but short of that I think we're finally at the point where who we can draft may be more valuable than who we can trade the pick for.
Posted by NOLAbaby
CumTown
Member since Sep 2013
1758 posts
Posted on 11/7/15 at 3:06 pm to
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Weren't we one of the youngest like a year or two ago?

Pels were 2nd youngest team 2 years ago (13-14) and 4th youngest team last year. So, it's a surprising jump, but Dell has invested in "young vets" who are notably a few years older
Posted by Jon1798
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
730 posts
Posted on 11/7/15 at 3:10 pm to
This is a basketball team. One or two players can greatly skew the numbers. Replacing a Jeff Withey for Kendrick Perkins for instance makes us look a lot older but has no real
Impact on the roster. Our core ten or so are all in their 20's. What more can you ask for.....other than health and better results of course.
Posted by LosLobos111
Austere
Member since Feb 2011
45385 posts
Posted on 11/7/15 at 4:12 pm to
Yep perk is close to a decade older than withey

End of bench guys that never( barring a situation like this)play like perk/douglas/gee who are 29/31 respectively greatly skew the numbers. If you replaced the last 2 with guys like BDJ and another developmental guy in the 22-24 age range that number is around 25.5.

Also guys like Gordon/Anderson could be moved for picks/younger guys.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 11/7/15 at 5:40 pm to
The average age thing has always been a bit of a lark to me. The core guys, excepting Davis, are in year 7 or 8 now. Even 2 years ago at 24, they were veterans entering relative stasis rather than young guys with potential for accelerated growth. That doesn't make the idea of young vets a "bad" idea. That was the very point of the move- young guys ready to play higher level ball now and can develop continuity over time.

The flaw in the plan- and every plan has pitfalls- is trading young, cheap depth (draft picks/Rolo/Vasquez) for NBA ready players. The team has been thin and the unfortunate amount of injuries (especially to Holiday) has badly exposed this flaw. Like ATL says, they're relying on reclamation projects rather than a younger guy they developed maybe ready to take on a bigger role. Again, it doesn't mean the plan is "bad" or that they should have done something different. Just that luck (and perhaps poor injury prevention/management) has not been with the team the past few years.

EDIT: Arguably, the plan has worked. The Pels are fairly on schedule. Biblical injuries have derailed that path to start this season though.
This post was edited on 11/7/15 at 5:49 pm
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
9796 posts
Posted on 11/7/15 at 5:46 pm to
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Yep perk is close to a decade older than withey


No.. he's not. He's currently 5 years older, but going to be 6 in a couple of days. So, no where near a decade.

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End of bench guys that never( barring a situation like this)play like perk/douglas/gee who are 29/31 respectively greatly skew the numbers. If you replaced the last 2 with guys like BDJ and another developmental guy in the 22-24 age range that number is around 25.5


No, math just doesn't work that way. Plus this doesn't address a huge issue. The fact that the team hasn't scouted, drafted, signed or developed a player since Davis. That's 4 years ago, 3 straight summers. No franchise can sustain that. No team operates that way. Youth is needed. It's cheap and it motivates everybody. There is no teaching happening in practice now. Where is the growth going to come from?

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Also guys like Gordon/Anderson could be moved for picks/younger guys.


Bull shite. None of those guys have been involved in a serious trade rumor in 4 years. Every team in the league will have monster cap space this summer. Who is trying to gain space? 1st rounders have huge value now. I just don't see that happening at all.
Posted by Tigerfan_95
Member since Jun 2014
2932 posts
Posted on 11/7/15 at 9:57 pm to
Not adding any rookies in 3 years doesn't help with the age average either.
Posted by NOLAbaby
CumTown
Member since Sep 2013
1758 posts
Posted on 11/8/15 at 12:04 am to
Ideally a team with a high average age should be better on the margin due to a greater level of experience. Counter to that, the younger teams typically have less experience and are therefore slightly worse due to being prone to youthful mistakes. It's not a huge stat to read into, unless you're comparing two similar teams on the margins. Pels are a weird team construction wise, where its not a huge thing to read into. It has been the last few years, but not this one. Our young vets have grown into actual vets now.
Posted by Tigerfan_95
Member since Jun 2014
2932 posts
Posted on 11/8/15 at 12:20 am to
Our core is young but not drafting is hurting our depth most of all.
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
9796 posts
Posted on 11/8/15 at 11:34 am to
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Our core is young but not drafting is hurting our depth most of all.


The core isn't young. You can maybe say that Davis is young. But he's really not that young anymore. He should be hitting his prime now, either this year or next. Guys usually do around their 4-5th season. All our other players are past their primes and starting to hit the downside..
Posted by GynoSandberg
Member since Jan 2006
72031 posts
Posted on 11/8/15 at 11:47 am to
The core isn't young. You can maybe say that Davis is young. But he's really not that young anymore. He should be hitting his prime now, either this year or next. Guys usually do around their 4-5th season. All our other players are past their primes and starting to hit the downside..

Posted by Tigerfan_95
Member since Jun 2014
2932 posts
Posted on 11/8/15 at 11:57 am to
They are all 25 and 26. That's young, if you think that that's old why don't you take a look at the Spurs core players.
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
9796 posts
Posted on 11/8/15 at 11:58 am to
I don't get the joke. Players hit their athletic peak around 22 or 23 and go into decline after 25. That is just science. Perhaps they can improve their skills and become better players, but they start losing on the other side and have to compensate. The average NBA career is less than 5 seasons. Everybody, but Davis, on the team is in their 6-8th season. You think any of them are still ascending? Do you think Anderson, Gordon, Evans, Asik or Holiday will ever have a better season than one they have already had? There is no chance..
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
9796 posts
Posted on 11/8/15 at 12:27 pm to
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They are all 25 and 26. That's young, if you think that that's old why don't you take a look at the Spurs core players.


It is a weak comeback to throw HOF players our to dispute a point. You might as well throw in Jordan, Kobe and L. James too. Those kind of guys aren't the norm. Comparing Duncan to R. Anderson and expecting comparable results just doesn't make sense. But if we did, you'd see that Duncan peaked around 24, his 2-3rd seasons in the league. Every year since then has been a little less. He's 7ft and skilled, so he can play forever probably. But that doesn't change than he has been in decline for over a decade.

Now, let's take a Pelicans player you call young, E. Gordon. He is only 26 years old. Which in your mind is still pretty young. Except the average age of an NBA player is 26. Also, he is in his 8th season. He has had an untold number of injuries and is a shell of the athlete he used to be. Also, his stats have declined for 5 straight seasons, from his personal bests in his 3rd season (see a trend there?). To expect him to become better now or expect improvement is just silly. He will decline from here on out and probably be out of the league before he is 30. How is that young?
Posted by Tigerfan_95
Member since Jun 2014
2932 posts
Posted on 11/8/15 at 12:34 pm to
His 3 pt % increased last year and you could figure his numbers decreased because he took less shots. He may not get a lot better but he could improve.
Posted by GynoSandberg
Member since Jan 2006
72031 posts
Posted on 11/8/15 at 1:16 pm to
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Do you think Anderson, Gordon, Evans, Asik or Holiday will ever have a better season than one they have already had? There is no chance..


Evans, Asik, and Holiday all posted career high PERs last seasons So Id say yeah, the could have a better season than they already had considering they just did that a year ago (when they were young! amirite!). Davis has gotten better every season, and he's the only one that this team needs to keep improving.

Gordon hasnt been the same player he was in LA, but he is off the books after this season. Anderson, see ya after this season.
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