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TBW with a solid write up offensive struggles so far
Posted on 10/30/15 at 7:47 am
Posted on 10/30/15 at 7:47 am
Davis isn't ready to carry the Pelicans offense
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Against the Golden State Warriors, the New Orleans offense tried to run through Davis much too often. During the season opener, the Pelicans first four offensive possessions went through the 22-year old in the post area. A quick 1-3 start avalanched into another 13 consecutive misses.
On most of those shot attempts, Davis either missed a jumper with an opponent in too close of proximity, or worse, he tried to create something going towards the basket. During the times he utilized the dribble, he failed to make a single attempt, missing all 6 shots.
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Anthony Davis is adept at using the dribble, but when asked to beat more than just his defender, it's not in his arsenal...yet.
Since Davis was drafted, he became accustomed to playing alongside ball dominant point guards. Monty William's system revolved around ball-handlers breaking down defenses in half-court sets. This season, the Pelicans have been asked to pick up the pace under Alvin Gentry, but the problem is they lack the necessary tools.
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Thankfully, Dell Demps signed Ish Smith right before the start of the regular season, and the coaching staff has smartly begun to utilize him. Ish has been the only Pelican who has consistently been able to create easier looks for others. Three of Davis' four dunks on the season are a direct result of passes from Smith.
Further, the best the Pelicans offense has looked so far was when Smith and Holiday shared the backcourt for about 2 minutes against the Blazers. The ball movement and penetrating ability of the two guards were directly responsible for Davis' first made three, his second trey and an easy lay-in.
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One thing is for certain though, Anthony Davis, much like the rest of his teammates, still rely on true point guards to find them. A well above the norm 3.5 turnover average says as much. AD can square up a single opponent or find the open man, but when other multiple defenders are awaiting his next move, his mission is currently too great. Until some of the missing troops return, expect more rough stretches, especially when Holiday sits.
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Posted on 10/30/15 at 9:55 am to corndeaux
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Further, the best the Pelicans offense has looked so far was when Smith and Holiday shared the backcourt for about 2 minutes against the Blazers. The ball movement and penetrating ability of the two guards were directly responsible for Davis' first made three, his second trey and an easy lay-in.
Jrue's ability to play with other playmakers and compliment them is the one thing I'd wish we get to see more of... His versatility is his greatest asset and it's wasted asking him to be the man.
Posted on 10/30/15 at 10:22 am to corndeaux
Gentry is going to have to change up his offensive philosophy some to maximize AD's talent. Gentry's system has excelled when he has MVP-level PGs moving the ball around and raining 3s. We don't have that guy, so he'll need to adjust. Just looking at Golden State from last year, they didn't run anything that would seem to fit AD's method of work. They were either setting up Bogut on the block or setting up Green at the top of the key.
It wouldn't hurt for him to adopt some of the sets that Monty ran. Monty's pick and roll schemes did a good job of forcing help at the basket against the driving guards, which gave AD space to work in the 12-15 foot range. That could definitely help out in late game situations with a lead where you aren't in "maximize possessions" mode.
It wouldn't hurt for him to adopt some of the sets that Monty ran. Monty's pick and roll schemes did a good job of forcing help at the basket against the driving guards, which gave AD space to work in the 12-15 foot range. That could definitely help out in late game situations with a lead where you aren't in "maximize possessions" mode.
This post was edited on 10/30/15 at 10:23 am
Posted on 10/30/15 at 10:27 am to Galactic Inquisitor
I'd like to see his system with AD when Tyreke, Cole, and Jrue are playing full minutes. Then I'll comment.
For now, though, with those guys out, it probably needs to be adjusted to more pick and roll.
For now, though, with those guys out, it probably needs to be adjusted to more pick and roll.
Posted on 10/30/15 at 10:37 am to Fun Bunch
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I'd like to see his system with AD when Tyreke, Cole, and Jrue are playing full minutes. Then I'll comment.
For now, though, with those guys out, it probably needs to be adjusted to more pick and roll.
I'm not saying he needs to abandon his system altogether. It just makes sense to adapt it to maximize an MVP-level talent.
Posted on 10/30/15 at 10:49 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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They were either setting up Bogut on the block or setting up Green at the top of the key.
In the first game there was some interesting 2 man game happening with Cunningham and Perkins, basically a side P&R. That seems like something that would work well with AD and Tyreke. If the defense follows Tyreke, AD/Ryno can be ready for a corner 3 in about 2 steps. You also are getting a big out of the paint.
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It wouldn't hurt for him to adopt some of the sets that Monty ran.
The only consistent thing they've said about philosophy of the system is playing with pace and looking for the first open shot. There's no reason some of Monty's plays can't be run in a 7 seconds or less setting. You probably won't see slow developing plays, but the P&Rs would work.
This post was edited on 10/30/15 at 10:52 am
Posted on 10/30/15 at 10:55 am to Galactic Inquisitor
Need more PnR when Ish is out there...hopefully he is up to the task.
ETA: Running more PnR gets AD closer to the basket for rebounds...which have been lacking...
ETA: Running more PnR gets AD closer to the basket for rebounds...which have been lacking...
This post was edited on 10/30/15 at 11:30 am
Posted on 10/30/15 at 11:25 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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Gentry is going to have to change up his offensive philosophy some to maximize AD's talent
That is just not true. Amare Stoudemire was a force of nature in PHX when he wasn't hurt. He put up 23/9 on 56% from the field (15 FGA/G) and 8 FTA/G in Gentry's lone season as head coach. Go back and watch the Gentry Suns Playbook on YouTube. Plenty of action for bigs. It's uninformed to say his system can't accommodate a dominant, athletic big with ball and shooting skills.
Can Gentry do everything he did in PHX with Nash? Of course not. He cant do what he did in GS either because theres no Steph and the Warriors have several superior passers. But he won't be running Monty sets. He believes in floor space and ball movement. High PnR is not a Monty set. Everyone in the league runs it, it's how you get there and what you do out of it.
And I'll say this, ball screens don't work when defenses don't give a damn about the ball handler. I'll ignore Ish Smith and Toney Douglas all night and stick to Davis. When Evans and Holiday come back, defenses will have to change.
Posted on 10/30/15 at 12:09 pm to corndeaux
i wish i had something smart/insightful to add, but i dont. the reality is this is a two-way bad team without evans/asik/pondexter/full-time holiday. not a struggling team, but a bad team
to be expected i guess, but the difficulty davis is having is no less stunning to the eye
come back soon reke
also: its not so much the offense that is so jarring, its the defense. two 40 point first quarters in two games...thats as bad as it gets in this league. davis looks completely lost and the perimeter is a sieve
to be expected i guess, but the difficulty davis is having is no less stunning to the eye
come back soon reke
also: its not so much the offense that is so jarring, its the defense. two 40 point first quarters in two games...thats as bad as it gets in this league. davis looks completely lost and the perimeter is a sieve
This post was edited on 10/30/15 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 10/30/15 at 12:24 pm to cgrand
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also: its not so much the offense that is so jarring, its the defense. two 40 point first quarters in two games...thats as bad as it gets in this league. davis looks completely lost and the perimeter is a sieve
THIS
Posted on 10/30/15 at 12:53 pm to cgrand
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also: its not so much the offense that is so jarring, its the defense. two 40 point first quarters in two games...thats as bad as it gets in this league. davis looks completely lost and the perimeter is a sieve
Yeah, and we were bad last year. Considering that the changes are supposed to simplify things, I'm not sure how you explain the struggles. There isn't supposed to be as many rotations, but somehow we keep leaving guys wide open. Are some guys still rotating like the old system while others aren't? I don't know. The results have been terrible, though.
Posted on 10/30/15 at 1:15 pm to corndeaux
What big man in the history of big men has carried an offense without help
Outside of shaq just straight up pulverizing defenders.. And even so, he played with elite offensive options throughout his carreer to eliviate pressure
I'm not sure anyone expected Davis to be able to carry this offense without help? Did I miss something
Outside of shaq just straight up pulverizing defenders.. And even so, he played with elite offensive options throughout his carreer to eliviate pressure
I'm not sure anyone expected Davis to be able to carry this offense without help? Did I miss something
Posted on 10/30/15 at 1:15 pm to Jester
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I'm not sure how you explain the struggles.
2 things. Even if it's a simple system it's still a different system and they aimed for continuity meaning 95% of the team is used to working a different way. Also, Asik only missed 6 games last year, and I think people really underestimate his impact. He made them a top 10 rebound % team. I know the Asik haters don't agree on the value of rebounds, but rebound = possession of the ball, and limiting the opposition's shots is even more important when you're bad at defending them.
Posted on 10/30/15 at 1:19 pm to GynoSandberg
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I'm not sure anyone expected Davis to be able to carry this offense without help?
I don't think anyone expected him to score much more than he did last season, but there are A LOT of people that think it's easy to give AD the ball in a position where he can shoot 60%+.
Posted on 10/30/15 at 1:22 pm to TigerinATL
We saw the same thing in spurts during the playoffs last year. We would throw him the ball and expect him to create something, which would usually result in a turnover or bad shot
What's the stat on number of his made baskets that were assisted on? That's telling enough
What's the stat on number of his made baskets that were assisted on? That's telling enough
Posted on 10/30/15 at 1:35 pm to cgrand
Gordon has had problems staying in front of his man. (Granted we won't be playing KT or CJ every night.) Ish/TD aren't going to remind us of the Glove and Jrue is restricted. AA/Perk aren't rim protectors. Ryno is Ryno. Davis looks like he is trying to cover too much ground in an effort to help everyone out. Only DC looks like his head is on straight.
Asik coming back should help (please play on Saturday), but opposing PG's are still going to disrupt our perimeter defense at the point of attack...our next 14 games are below:
Curry
Payton
Teague
D-Will: (knee sprain but most likely back by then) and probably no Holiday B2B
D-Will
Teague: probably no Holiday B2B
Lowry
Calderon: (phew)
Mudiay: (rookie but talented)
GOATbrook: probably no Holiday B2B, not that it matters
Parker
Bledsoe/Knight
Bledsoe/Knight
CP3
Ish/TD are going to lock up the above PGs? Pels could be in major trouble come December 1st.
ETA: If Cole is back towards the end of November, lets say for the SA game, that will help, but just splitting SA/PHX/PHX/LAC will be tough.
Asik coming back should help (please play on Saturday), but opposing PG's are still going to disrupt our perimeter defense at the point of attack...our next 14 games are below:
Curry
Payton
Teague
D-Will: (knee sprain but most likely back by then) and probably no Holiday B2B
D-Will
Teague: probably no Holiday B2B
Lowry
Calderon: (phew)
Mudiay: (rookie but talented)
GOATbrook: probably no Holiday B2B, not that it matters
Parker
Bledsoe/Knight
Bledsoe/Knight
CP3
Ish/TD are going to lock up the above PGs? Pels could be in major trouble come December 1st.
ETA: If Cole is back towards the end of November, lets say for the SA game, that will help, but just splitting SA/PHX/PHX/LAC will be tough.
This post was edited on 10/30/15 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 10/30/15 at 1:40 pm to GynoSandberg
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What's the stat on number of his made baskets that were assisted on? That's telling enough
71.5% last season.
Posted on 10/30/15 at 3:40 pm to GynoSandberg
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I'm not sure anyone expected Davis to be able to carry this offense without help? Did I miss something
No. But based on some of the threads and comments in the Pels community, people are acting like he should be. Jester is saying that Gentry may have to change his system to be more like Monty to maximize Davis. I've seen comments here and other places seriously talk about Davis having the handle of KD. Or that he can create at an NBA level on the perimeter b/c he played guard in HS.
Like you and ATL say, TBW isn't doing anything novel here; but it is something worth repeating.
Posted on 10/30/15 at 8:50 pm to corndeaux
#firegentry
Being facetious, btw
Being facetious, btw
Posted on 10/30/15 at 8:59 pm to corndeaux
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Jester is saying that Gentry may have to change his system to be more like Monty to maximize Davis.
I think you are overstating that, to say the very least. I'm not talking about abandoning his system at all. Just saying that he could look at what Monty's regime did effectively and see if they can roll it into his system. That isn't an indictment or offending statemeny. That same principle should be in place in any and every level of management.
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