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Posted on 7/24/15 at 1:12 am to Pedro
Not that im pumped up about the perkins signing, but jimmer was awful. Did you watch any games last season? He literally was brought in for late free throws....thats it. Im more pissed we didnt take a chance on seth curry. I mean for a million per year, i think it would have been worth a shot, but hey im not a gm.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 7:28 am to Peliclown
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I know it's hilarious how retarded you are
Posted on 7/24/15 at 7:38 am to tiger_nurse
Jimmer wasn't horrible the coach was biased against him. He is a very good player. Monte had too many family ties and wasn't going to let him play.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 7:41 am to Simon
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Jimmer wasn't horrible
He shot 18.8% from 3, he was horrible as a Pelican. Did Monty crush his confidence? Maybe, wouldn't be the first player he did that to, but Jimmer did not earn more minutes than he got based on what we saw on the court.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 8:17 am to Simon
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He is a very good player
Back that statement up with facts from his NBA career.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 8:39 am to TigerinATL
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Did Monty crush his confidence? Maybe, wouldn't be the first player he did that to, but Jimmer did not earn more minutes than he got based on what we saw on the court.
This isn't a legitimate excuse. Plenty of marginal players learned to flourish under Monty.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 8:41 am to Simon
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He is a very good player.
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Monte had too many family ties and wasn't going to let him play.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 8:45 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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This isn't a legitimate excuse
Should he have been mentally tough enough to get over it? Yes. But when he shoots 3s at a normal percentage this year it will be pretty hard to say it wasn't playing for Monty/in Monty's system that dragged him down.
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Plenty of marginal players learned to flourish under Monty.
Because we all know that Plenty = All
Posted on 7/24/15 at 8:49 am to TigerinATL
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But when he shoots 3s at a normal percentage this year it will be pretty hard to say it wasn't playing for Monty/in Monty's system that dragged him down.
You really want to blame Monty for the guy not hitting wide open shots?
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Because we all know that Plenty = All
Name the players who struggled under Monty that found sustained success anywhere else? Aminu was in a more favorable role in Dallas based on roster moreso than coaching. Who else?
Posted on 7/24/15 at 9:02 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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Aminu was in a more favorable role in Dallas based on roster moreso than coaching.
Given his limitations, Monty certainly could have been smarter in deploying Aminu regardless of the roster. And the roster was flexible enough to avoid unholy trinity lineups.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 9:07 am to corndeaux
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Moe Harkless
That was our savior huh... And Jimmer. My god.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 9:19 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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You really want to blame Monty for the guy not hitting wide open shots?
I want to blame looking over his shoulder for the quick hook. It's a common trait amongst many coaches. One of the positives about Gentry is he supposedly doesn't do that as illustrated by the development of Dragic. How much data besides player anecdotes supports the theory, I don't know, but unless you want to argue that Jimmer wasn't looking over his shoulder, I think it's safe to say he was in a situation that most players describe as less than optimal for their game.
I'm not calling for Monty to have played Jimmer more, in fact I already said he shouldn't have, but that doesn't mean Monty making the calls he needed to make didn't hurt Jimmer's confidence and shooting.
The Spurs aren't perfect (Stephen Jackson comes to mind), but they're pretty good at picking role players that will fit in a way that maximizes their skill set. Maybe it's resting the star players allows the bench guys to know they'll get opportunities, maybe it's just that Pop is so much better than most coaches in the league (like I said, most coaches do what Monty has done), but I fully expect Jimmer to rebound because the Spurs are good at maximizing bench role players and the Monty Hornicans were good at asking bench role players to sink or swim in roles bigger than their skill sets. Some sank, like Rivers and Jimmer, some swam like Jason Smith and Empty Stats Vasquez, and others just tread water like Aminu.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 9:40 am to corndeaux
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And the roster was flexible enough to avoid unholy trinity lineups.
Was it really, though? About 85% of that roster was unholy in at least one way or another.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 9:42 am to TigerinATL
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Empty Stats Vasquez
Posted on 7/24/15 at 9:56 am to tiger_nurse
Dude i wasnt even being remotely close to serious with this thread. the fact its made it 3 plus pages has me baffled.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 10:56 am to Galactic Inquisitor
But the Mavs had a good roster last year?
Monty chose to play him minutes as a wing regularly. Monty chose not to use him as a small ball 4 regularly. Other roster pieces are irrelevant. Aminu was clearly not up to the task of playing the role Monty wanted for him, yet they kept rolling it out there. That's bad coaching.
Monty chose to play him minutes as a wing regularly. Monty chose not to use him as a small ball 4 regularly. Other roster pieces are irrelevant. Aminu was clearly not up to the task of playing the role Monty wanted for him, yet they kept rolling it out there. That's bad coaching.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 10:59 am to corndeaux
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But the Mavs had a good roster last year?
The Mavs had a legitimate NBA SF. That said, the Mavs roster last year was better than the Pelicans roster that we're discussing.
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Aminu was clearly not up to the task of playing the role Monty wanted for him, yet they kept rolling it out there. That's bad coaching.
This is where we'll just have to agree to disagree. He was the closest thing to a SF we had on that roster, thus Monty played him at SF.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 1:40 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
That's not quite right. Babbitt was on the team after Anderson went down. They could have slotted him in to a bench role and paired him with Aminu, who was in and out of the dog house. That pairing, while not good, at least makes sense.
Once Anderson and Holiday were injured, that season was about development. Why not try some shite and see what sticks?
Once Anderson and Holiday were injured, that season was about development. Why not try some shite and see what sticks?
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