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re: Sharpe cancelled his Pelicans workout with us
Posted on 6/18/22 at 11:10 am to supe12sta12z
Posted on 6/18/22 at 11:10 am to supe12sta12z
Geezus,really show casing that i.q
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Posted on 6/18/22 at 11:11 am to TigerinATL
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“I see myself as one of the greatest players to ever play the game of basketball,” Sharpe told reporters during a Zoom media availability call. Sharpe added he models his game after Bradley Beal, Jayson Tatum, and Zach LaVine, and has watched film on all three players.
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I think I'm ok with Griff not wanting to draft Sharpe at all. He doesn't seem like he fits the culture and at best doesn't develop optimally and at worst becomes a locker room problem because of the poor culture fit.
To be fair, a lot of these guys have over the top false bravado going into the draft. When asked at the combine who's the best player in the NBA Chet answered "myself in two months".
Posted on 6/18/22 at 11:12 am to saintsfan22
quote:Yeah, I think some are trying to convince themselves that they do not want Sharpe since the rumors lately have pointed towards the Pels not being interested in him.
To be fair, a lot of these guys have over the top false bravado going into the draft. When asked at the combine who's the best player in the NBA Chet answered "myself in two months".
Posted on 6/18/22 at 11:32 am to supe12sta12z
The contrast between Sharpe and Sochan in their interviews is pretty striking. Sharpe comes off as uninterested and kinda smug. Sochan was the complete opposite. Sharpe may have more talent but Sochan seems like the kind of player we want in the lockerroom and will get better with time.
Sochan >>> Sharpe
Sochan >>> Sharpe
Posted on 6/18/22 at 11:38 am to saintsfan22
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To be fair, a lot of these guys have over the top false bravado going into the draft.
And that irrational confidence will probably serve him well some places. But with the Pels they'd be asking him to be a cog in the machine. Even when CJ eventually leaves, Sharpe would be the #3 guy, not 1 or 2. I'm not saying he's a bad person or won't become a good NBA player, but you build a culture by adding more players that fit, not by adding players that don't fit.
It's entirely possible for both of these statements to be true:
- Sharpe doesn't fit the Pels culture and the Pels shouldn't draft him.
- Sharpe will become a really good player in the NBA some day.
Keeping what the Pels built last year moving forward is much more important than maximizing the return on the 8th pick. People are just afraid this is going to be another passing on Garland situation. But the Pels didn't just pass on Garland, they picked players that didn't work out at all so fumbled it about as badly as they could.
Sochan and an extra 1st for trading back isn't as good as what Sharpe may become, but it's not blowing the pick like they did with Jaxson/NAW either.
Posted on 6/18/22 at 12:04 pm to TigerinATL
Ive seen enough of Sharpe’s interviews at this point, coupled with my opinion of his potential not being nearly as high as most perceived, that I wouldn’t take him.
Posted on 6/18/22 at 12:26 pm to TigerinATL
I’m less sold on Sharpe than I was 2 weeks ago, but I do feel like this is another case of people interpreting things in the direction of the way they were already biased toward.
98% of teams picking in the top 6ish range are not looking for a guy to just be another guy, they want them to be a franchise cornerstone and prospects are almost certainly trained to interview in that direction to show teams they have the confidence and understanding of what they can do to be that guy. I.E. they want cocky and alpha attitude. I mean we ate it up with Zion. Chet’s doing it now.
And if I had a gun to my head I suspect the cancellation has to do with a guarantee from another team and Sharpe’s advisors telling him not to go do anything that could perhaps cause that team to second guess themselves.
All that said, this close to the draft and I’m honestly not sure what I want us to do this year. There really isn’t that player that is jumping out at me personally as that guy I want that can be a long term 3rd foundational piece, though I’m sure someone in the 8-15 range is going to hit from this draft, but a lot of the 6-10 consensus range is feeling eerily like 2019. Where you had all these lower ceiling, high upside guys like Jax, Rui, Culver, Coby White, Reddish, but in hindsight ended up being one of the weakest sections of the draft. Where the next three players have outplayed the 5 guys drafted before, but were seen as lower ceiling but higher floor guys. Then 20-30 was a treasure trove of high value unheralded guys that have made major impacts as role players.
Cause it’s really not difficult to imagine a world where Dyson Daniels, Sharpe, Griffin, even Mathurin end up being thought of below any number of higher floor guys that aren’t exactly tapped out ceiling wise either like Sochan, Duren, Branham, Williams, Ogbaji, or under scouted international guys like Jovic or Dieng.
98% of teams picking in the top 6ish range are not looking for a guy to just be another guy, they want them to be a franchise cornerstone and prospects are almost certainly trained to interview in that direction to show teams they have the confidence and understanding of what they can do to be that guy. I.E. they want cocky and alpha attitude. I mean we ate it up with Zion. Chet’s doing it now.
And if I had a gun to my head I suspect the cancellation has to do with a guarantee from another team and Sharpe’s advisors telling him not to go do anything that could perhaps cause that team to second guess themselves.
All that said, this close to the draft and I’m honestly not sure what I want us to do this year. There really isn’t that player that is jumping out at me personally as that guy I want that can be a long term 3rd foundational piece, though I’m sure someone in the 8-15 range is going to hit from this draft, but a lot of the 6-10 consensus range is feeling eerily like 2019. Where you had all these lower ceiling, high upside guys like Jax, Rui, Culver, Coby White, Reddish, but in hindsight ended up being one of the weakest sections of the draft. Where the next three players have outplayed the 5 guys drafted before, but were seen as lower ceiling but higher floor guys. Then 20-30 was a treasure trove of high value unheralded guys that have made major impacts as role players.
Cause it’s really not difficult to imagine a world where Dyson Daniels, Sharpe, Griffin, even Mathurin end up being thought of below any number of higher floor guys that aren’t exactly tapped out ceiling wise either like Sochan, Duren, Branham, Williams, Ogbaji, or under scouted international guys like Jovic or Dieng.
This post was edited on 6/18/22 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 6/18/22 at 1:16 pm to Bronc
Wanting a high ceiling player is perfectly fine. The prospect has to have to right attitude and willingness to learn and play behind star level players while trusting the developmental process. I get the feeling a kid like Sharpe wants to go to a team where they’re going to let him start and play big minutes from the get go and learn/develop as he goes.
Any guy who we take needs to have the same mindset and attitude that Herb, Murphy, and Alvarado came in with. Trusting the process is a huge reason why Trey finishes the season strong. If the player shows he’s ready to play winning basketball, they’ll get playing time regardless.
Any guy who we take needs to have the same mindset and attitude that Herb, Murphy, and Alvarado came in with. Trusting the process is a huge reason why Trey finishes the season strong. If the player shows he’s ready to play winning basketball, they’ll get playing time regardless.
This post was edited on 6/18/22 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 6/18/22 at 1:27 pm to supe12sta12z
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Wanting a high ceiling player is perfectly fine. The prospect has to have to right attitude and willingness to learn and play behind star level players while trusting the developmental process. I get the feeling a kid like Sharpe wants to go to a team where they’re going to let him start and play big minutes from the get go and learn/develop as he goes.
This is why I’ve been so high on Sochan, and have wavered on Sharpe these last couple weeks. The culture fit alone is enough for me to favor Sochan over Sharpe.
Posted on 6/18/22 at 2:00 pm to Epic Cajun
My thing is, without having firm confirmation, I’m not going to jump to conclusions about Sharpe’s character or mentality coming into the league. I do agree there are some head scratchers, but I also think they can have some pretty benign explanations.
People convinced in their interpretations without the necessary evidence behind them though, is what got some off the crazy deep end with Zion speculation this season. When the reality was far more mundane and not even a fraction of the insidiousness that people ran away with.
Just not ready to jump off the deep end on Sharpe til I have direct evidence to do so. And if by some reason the Pels take him, based on last season, I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt for a while. My falling out with Sharpe has more to do with the questions I’ve developed in his game and whether he’ll actual ever utilize his ridiculous length defensively the way he should
People convinced in their interpretations without the necessary evidence behind them though, is what got some off the crazy deep end with Zion speculation this season. When the reality was far more mundane and not even a fraction of the insidiousness that people ran away with.
Just not ready to jump off the deep end on Sharpe til I have direct evidence to do so. And if by some reason the Pels take him, based on last season, I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt for a while. My falling out with Sharpe has more to do with the questions I’ve developed in his game and whether he’ll actual ever utilize his ridiculous length defensively the way he should
This post was edited on 6/18/22 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 6/18/22 at 2:03 pm to Bronc
quote:this
I’m not going to jump to conclusions about Sharpe’s character or mentality coming into the league. I do agree there are some head scratchers, but I also think they can have some pretty benign explanations.
Posted on 6/18/22 at 2:54 pm to Macintosh504
it seems that the pels believe they can afford to be choosy on the “culture” angle and thus will be far more risk averse than teams normally are when looking at a guy like sharpe
which is fine, they are the ones who see the team every day, they know what they have. The question that remains is what the ceiling is of the guys they have and whether they have enough ammo to pass on him
which is fine, they are the ones who see the team every day, they know what they have. The question that remains is what the ceiling is of the guys they have and whether they have enough ammo to pass on him
Posted on 6/18/22 at 3:00 pm to cgrand
I get the impression Sharpe isn’t that sharp. Pass
Posted on 6/18/22 at 3:11 pm to Bronc
quote:
Cause it’s really not difficult to imagine a world where Dyson Daniels, Sharpe, Griffin, even Mathurin end up being thought of below any number of higher floor guys that aren’t exactly tapped out ceiling wise either like Sochan, Duren, Branham, Williams, Ogbaji, or under scouted international guys like Jovic or Dieng.
This is a good point. Take Mathurin for example, if he never develops off the dribble, iso, PNR game, etc etc is he just Ogbaji with less defense?
Posted on 6/18/22 at 3:25 pm to supe12sta12z
Yeah he does seem like a psycho.
Very talented though.
What is with these dudes shaking their braids/hair like females?
Very talented though.
What is with these dudes shaking their braids/hair like females?
Posted on 6/18/22 at 3:31 pm to Epic Cajun
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This is why I’ve been so high on Sochan, and have wavered on Sharpe these last couple weeks. The culture fit alone is enough for me to favor Sochan over Sharpe.
I love sochan.
You know he is going to come in and play at full spend. He will give you defense.
Posted on 6/18/22 at 3:36 pm to yaboidarrell
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The contrast between Sharpe and Sochan in their interviews is pretty striking. Sharpe comes off as uninterested and kinda smug. Sochan was the complete opposite. Sharpe may have more talent but Sochan seems like the kind of player we want in the lockerroom and will get better with time.
To be fair, how cocky can a guy that averaged 9 & 6 really be
Posted on 6/18/22 at 3:48 pm to Lester Earl
I guess a lot more cocky than a guy that averaged 0 and 0.
Posted on 6/18/22 at 3:57 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
To be fair, how cocky can a guy that averaged 9 & 6 really be
Yeah. That Draymond character is so humble
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