re: Rivers being waived?

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Ok, does that make it less valid?

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Uhh, yes.

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You said Asik is a sure thing, which is unsubstantiated and impossible to gauge so I'm not really sure why your comments are any more valid than mine.

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Because Asik has already shown that as a starter, he's in the upper tier of Centers when it comes to rebounding and defensive. On the other hand, the next 3-4 years obviously haven't happened yet.

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speaking of hypotheticals...

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I admitted it was my thought, which could obviously be wrong. You on the other hand have already written us off for the next 3-4 years, and are apparently unwilling to come off of that.

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And will that not happen in 3-4 years?

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It very well could, but assuming we re-sign Asik, why not next year? Why wait 3-4 years?

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And do you think a pretty damn good team can honestly beat the Spurs or Thunder?

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Who knows, especially over the next few years. That's why they play the games. I do think the Spurs have to decline eventually, whether it be this year, the year after, or 3 years from now.

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Geez dude you are making arguments out of nothing.

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My arguments have been clear. If you can't comprehend them, then that's on you.

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Should I have prefaced me thinking we are not a contender in 3-4 years with "this is my thought"?

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That's up to you, while it's obviously your thought, it puts it in a different context.

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If I said 2-3 would you have even responded to my post?

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My original comment to you was about Asik re-signing, in relation to the draft pick, so yes.

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And don't call someone dumb

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I didn't call YOU dumb. I called your though of us not being a contender for 3-5 years dumb.

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you are going to do the same thing

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You really don't see the difference in you saying we won't compete for 3-4 years, and me saying we're a good SF from being a damn good team?

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It diminishes your credibility

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Oh man, not my message board credibility... How will I sleep tonight?

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hostile arena for discussion.

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Don't be so sensitive, man. It's just basketball, and this is just a message board. IIRC, you're the same guy that insulted someone's retirement and called him a pussy because he didn't agree with you.

Yeah, that was you. This is your response to someone telling you that draft picks may not pan out.

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I bet you got all your retirement in money markets and CDs, pussy.

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Seriously man, if message board posters get to you that much, maybe you should step away.

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Ok, so it seems like you can agree that his future benefits to this team are at least somewhat uncertain?

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Well yes, obviously. But a draft pick would be even more uncertain, especially one from 10-15. Can you agree on that?

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I don't necessarily believe Asik helps to contribute to this team's title contentions. He will help us win games now, but the future is very uncertain. That is an opinion, and based on my own logic.

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And that's your opinion, and that's fine. Just don't call my opinion "nonsense" just because you don't agree with it.

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Point me to a big man that has been a professional basketball for 12 years at 30 years old that is not worn down.

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That depends on your definition of worn down. The good thing about Asik is that, even though he is 28, he doesn't have a lot of "tread on the tires" playing behind Noah for a couple of years, and Dwight for another.

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I just don't see how I have an invalid argument.

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You don't, and again I guess it depends on our definition of a contender, but I think with the right moves we can be a top 5 seed in the West as soon as 2015. I don't think that is TOO unrealistic.

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Again, I think you are getting me wrong in thinking I hate good players; I don't. I think that it will require overpaing him on his next contract, and by the time we are actually ready to take on the Spurs, Thunder, Cavaliers, and or other handful of teams ready to emerge as contenders, he will be past his prime, and will be on a poor value contract. Let's remember, he has built a reputation on hustle, rather than natural athletic ability, for the most part. I am his age, my body feels like hustling less and less each day. I never would have thought that 3-4 years ago.

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Point taken.

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People have been saying that for more than 3-4 years. And it would be reasonable to assume that you believe they may not decline for ~3 years, which would be a major roadblock to our contention?

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You are absolutely correct. They could very well contend for another 3 years. Hell, Duncan could retire in 2, and they build something around Leonard/Splitter/Parker, but I just don't think we should look at other teams, and wait for our opportunity to make moves when we think they are at their weakest. There are always going to be great teams in the division/conference/league. We just have to worry about our roster, and make it the best in the short, and long term. I get that you think Asik doesn't fit in with that, but we just differ about this move. No biggie, we'll just agree to disagree.

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One has no idea how good this team can be with a legit post player and actually having a healthy roster

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if we get to keep our depth and stay healthy this year, I think a lot of people will be shocked at how well this team can play.

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The thing is, anyone expressing a strong opinion/projection/prediction is pretty much talking out of their asses. No one knows shite at this point. Let's just watch this team play this year and (assuming reasonable health) we'll have a better idea of where we are.

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is this your first year watching sports? fandom is based upon opinion/projection/prediction. if we didn't do any of these things there would be no point in talking sports in the offseason

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is this your first year watching sports?

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Yes. I just discovered sports last August. It's pretty cool.

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fandom is based upon opinion/projection/prediction

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But if a person is rational, they at least qualify their comments by recognizing the inherent uncertainty of future performance and happenstance. It's the definitive statements that annoy me. And don't get me started on the subject of message board posters suggesting they are smarter, talented or knowledgeable than even a mediocre GM. Yeah, I know. That's what message boards are for . . . blah blah.

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If true it just shows what an amateur Demps is.

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You do realize the gee trade will prevent that from happening right?

It was option z anyway.