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re: Question for everyone regarding Monty
Posted on 11/14/13 at 1:37 pm to HeadyBrosevelt
Posted on 11/14/13 at 1:37 pm to HeadyBrosevelt
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Posted on 11/14/13 at 1:40 pm to VOR
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A lot of the problem really may be that it takes mature and special talent to effectively use this unorthodox roster.
Like Anthony Davis? Hmm...
Posted on 11/14/13 at 1:46 pm to VOR
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A lot of the problem really may be that it takes mature and special talent to effectively use this unorthodox roster.
Funny thing is, this Pels team is somewhat similar to Karl's team in Denver last season that won 57 games. I think Karl excels with these types of teams.
Holiday/Lawson - height notwithstanding, both are versatile, quick, combo type guards who can knock down the 3.
Ryan Anderson/Gallinari/Wilson Chandler - big, floor spacing three point threats
Evans/Iggy - swiss army knife players who can play 3 positions and fill up the stat sheet (Evans is this player when he's on). Obviously Iggy's D >> Evans, but still...
AD/Faried - It's insulting to compare the two, but both are high energy PF/C who clean up on the inside and provide formidable interior defense.
EG/Brewer - Brewer was one of their key pieces and we really don't have a player like him defensively. Gordon could fill this void. Obviously he is superior offensively and at one point was actually revered as a pretty good defensive player.
You figure the Nuggets attempted 45% of their shots last season in the restricted area (32% this season).
Led the league in fast break points (10th this season).
Led the league in offensive rebounding % (20th this season).
Similar to the Pels, the Nuggets are struggling big time this season without their floor spacers Gallinari and Chandler. But is seems Karl's coaching and offensive philosophy was pretty important to the Nuggets success. 57 wins is pretty damn good.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 1:50 pm to JimmyLoincloth
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Karl wants to coach, but he'd never interview while Monty is coaching.
Karl has already taken over a team midseason
lead them to the playoffs
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He returned to the NBA in 2005 when he became head coach of the Nuggets, taking over from interim head coach Michael Cooper on January 27 and leading the team to the postseason
Posted on 11/14/13 at 1:55 pm to MrPappagiorgio
Interesting
Posted on 11/14/13 at 2:02 pm to HeadyBrosevelt
We've had one of the easier schedules in the league thus far, and it's about to take a turn for the worse.
Before the start of the long road trip in December against a bunch of playoff teams, 10 of 12 on the road, we've got 12 games against teams that we are going to have a hard time beating, at least half are playoff teams.
We needed to be 6-3 at worst right now, not 3-6.
I said right before the season started if we weren't around 9-6 after the first 15 with our schedule, and what our next 15 looking much tougher, then we would be in for a long season.
I"m done with Monty too.
We run the same stupid arse inbounds play from the sideline and baseline every time. We have no ball movement on offense and we aren't running up and down the court like Monty said we would this year.
We have got to be the worst rotating defensive team i've ever seen, something i can't fathom. I mean, did these guys never rotate on defense at any level? Do they not know the basic defensive principles to rotate on instincts. I know i could, and i haven't played organized basketball in 10 year. If you were taught well, it's an instinct that kicks in when certain things happen.
The terrible defense is what i can't take. He's supposed to be a defensive guy, and we are terrible at defense. We don't hedge picks well, we don't stop drives to the goal, and when we do, we don't rotate over. We are 3rd to last in opponents FG% and 7th to last in opponents 3pt%. That's from undisciplined defensive principles.
The talent is there. We are creating more turnovers than we make. We are getting steals and blocks. it's like we have some good defensive stats and some terrible. And when you look at them to come up with a conclusion, it's simple. We have talent, and we get away with stuff b/c of it, but we are a very undisciplined defensive team, which is why so many teams are getting to the rim with ease and taking open shots.
Bad defensive principles fall solely on the coach. It's not like we have Steve Nash and other guys that can't play defense. We should be great on defense. A long quick PG that others have said is the best defensive PG in the game, an adequate SG when he wants to be, a long quick SF that is only on the team for defense, a great PF, and a bunch of no name centers that should be getting technicals every game for killing people that come into the lane.
We lose the next 3, i say fire him.
Before the start of the long road trip in December against a bunch of playoff teams, 10 of 12 on the road, we've got 12 games against teams that we are going to have a hard time beating, at least half are playoff teams.
We needed to be 6-3 at worst right now, not 3-6.
I said right before the season started if we weren't around 9-6 after the first 15 with our schedule, and what our next 15 looking much tougher, then we would be in for a long season.
I"m done with Monty too.
We run the same stupid arse inbounds play from the sideline and baseline every time. We have no ball movement on offense and we aren't running up and down the court like Monty said we would this year.
We have got to be the worst rotating defensive team i've ever seen, something i can't fathom. I mean, did these guys never rotate on defense at any level? Do they not know the basic defensive principles to rotate on instincts. I know i could, and i haven't played organized basketball in 10 year. If you were taught well, it's an instinct that kicks in when certain things happen.
The terrible defense is what i can't take. He's supposed to be a defensive guy, and we are terrible at defense. We don't hedge picks well, we don't stop drives to the goal, and when we do, we don't rotate over. We are 3rd to last in opponents FG% and 7th to last in opponents 3pt%. That's from undisciplined defensive principles.
The talent is there. We are creating more turnovers than we make. We are getting steals and blocks. it's like we have some good defensive stats and some terrible. And when you look at them to come up with a conclusion, it's simple. We have talent, and we get away with stuff b/c of it, but we are a very undisciplined defensive team, which is why so many teams are getting to the rim with ease and taking open shots.
Bad defensive principles fall solely on the coach. It's not like we have Steve Nash and other guys that can't play defense. We should be great on defense. A long quick PG that others have said is the best defensive PG in the game, an adequate SG when he wants to be, a long quick SF that is only on the team for defense, a great PF, and a bunch of no name centers that should be getting technicals every game for killing people that come into the lane.
We lose the next 3, i say fire him.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 2:03 pm to MrPappagiorgio
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He returned to the NBA in 2005 when he became head coach of the Nuggets, taking over from interim head coach Michael Cooper on January 27 and leading the team to the postseason
Didn't know this. Nice find. That's all I have to hear. I'm down. Start negotiations.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 2:04 pm to Gtothemoney
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They look very disinterested.
I don't think we can question the effort or commitment at this point. The guys seem to be playing hard, just not well.
The offense was good last night and there were noticeable tweaks to the scheme. Still not a finished product by any means, but I saw some of the improvements that many have clamored for.
Like I've said for a while, defense is where this team will be defined. And Monty's scheme just makes no sense.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 2:04 pm to Hazelnut
Shitcan Monty, bring in Karl and trade to get Thornton back.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 2:14 pm to corndeaux
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The offense was good last night and there were noticeable tweaks to the scheme.
I agree to some point. Still too many pick n pops at the circle for me. But this was against a winless Jazz team who has been blown out by teams.
Blowing a 16 point 2nd half lead was
. How many X's did fricking Marvin Williams get WIDE OPEN looks from 3? We made Richard Jefferson look like an all star. And Hayward, who I love, was first team all pro last night. Your more analytical than me. But even in your analytical mind, that had to be atrocious last night?
Posted on 11/14/13 at 2:17 pm to Gtothemoney
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Richard Jefferson
Had no idea he was still around.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 2:21 pm to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 11/14/13 at 2:27 pm to TeddyPadillac
Great minds think alike.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 2:30 pm to Gtothemoney
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I agree to some point. Still too many pick n pops at the circle for me. But this was against a winless Jazz team who has been blown out by teams.
I agree completely. The team did some different things, but the Jazz suck and made them look better than they are. Not like the offense is fixed, but I saw some signs that they are adjusting.
Some of those pick and pops need one more pass to the weak side for wide open 3s. I saw missing the extra pass more than a few times.
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Blowing a 16 point 2nd half lead
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And Hayward, who I love, was first team all pro last night
FTs just killed the team. If they avoid the fouls, I think they still win even with the awful, awful, awful defense. Hendersonhands had the screen cap of 2nd half stats, the FTs were just out of control.
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How many X's did fricking Marvin Williams get WIDE OPEN looks from 3? We made Richard Jefferson look like an all star.
It will take me a very long time to come to grips with the fact that Richard Jefferson and Marvin Williams torched the Pelicans in 2013. Both of those guys have had forks sticking out of their backs for a few years.
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Your more analytical than me. But even in your analytical mind, that had to be atrocious last night?
The defense was terrible. Monty's scheme is broken on that end and has been for a while. Smiht made Steimsma look like Bill Russell last night. That he did not come out of the game down the stretch is all on Monty.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 2:33 pm to Gtothemoney
We blew something like a 30 point lead to Orlando last season and they had around 20 wins
I think they blew a 20+ lead against LA too
This is nothing new
I think they blew a 20+ lead against LA too
This is nothing new
Posted on 11/14/13 at 2:36 pm to Hazelnut
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I'm asking because unless we can get Karl, (which we probably won't), this team will probably be way worse off then they are right now.
maybe...not necessarily.
PJ Carlesimo
Mike Woodson
Posted on 11/14/13 at 2:45 pm to GynoSandberg
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This is nothing new
Oh I hear ya. But we supposedly lacked talent. That was the reason I was given. If you coulda heard me screaming at the tv last night, you woulda thought I was crazy. The picture in my mind of Marvin Williams standing at the 3 PT line with no one within 10 feet of him is still making my blood boil.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 2:46 pm to Gtothemoney
what sucks the most is the entire second half i was just waiting for it to happen. you just knew it because it's the same old song and dance.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 2:47 pm to quail man
Reminded me of the Saints when I was growing up. They got to 17 points and you knew we weren't gonna score again. I would just watch the seconds tick away and pray to hold on.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 2:48 pm to drake20
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Mike Woodson
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