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Previous Rumored Lopez Trade Discussion

Posted on 2/13/17 at 11:35 am
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
9933 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 11:35 am
Mike Scotto says we had discussions for Brook Lopez for Reke, Gallo, Frazier, and a protected 2018 pick.

Pels-Nets Trade Talks

I wuld imagine Brooklyn is wanting a good bit more, but interesting to see the players thrown around.
This post was edited on 2/13/17 at 11:37 am
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25446 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 11:39 am to
I would much rather Brook Lopez, especially for that trade, than Okafor.

Thing is though with Okafor, nothing changes much about how the team plays, since he would be used like Kanter is off the bench, not a starter.
You get Lopez and everything changes how you run your offense, and your defense.

Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61438 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 11:39 am to
I think this is mostly posturing with Philly. If the rumored plan is using picks to trade for a center and SF, trading a bunch of expirings for Lopez hits the cap space pretty hard for the potential 2017 pick trade for a $15+ million player like Fournier. But this is the kind of shopping the Pels should be doing if Philly is waiting for them to blink.
Posted by saints5021
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2010
17442 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 11:40 am to
Yes please for that trade
Posted by novowels
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2008
2400 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 11:43 am to
Not super excited about this one but it would look a little better if Asik or Ajinca was thrown in there
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
9933 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 12:00 pm to
quote:

trading a bunch of expirings for Lopez hits the cap space pretty hard for the potential 2017 pick trade for a $15+ million player like Fournier.


MM suggested his realistic favorite route was trading for Lopez with 2018 dumping Asik to Brooklyn and then trading 2017 with AA for Batum . I commented that while technically possible to do that uneven second trade, realistically it would be extremely difficult to structure the first trade just to be able to pull off a draft night trade for a $20M+ player. He didn't respond.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61438 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 12:16 pm to
Technically you could do Moore + Ajinca for Fournier, so it wouldn't be impossible, but if you had the cap space to absorb them, maybe you keep Moore and even pick up an additional asset like Hezonja like MM had mentioned. Plan B was basically 2 lesser young vets if the pick isn't good enough for Butler. While Lopez would be the best big we could trade for, I'm not sure he's the best fit for The Plan.
This post was edited on 2/13/17 at 12:17 pm
Posted by apfour21
New Orleans, LA
Member since Nov 2012
3143 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 12:29 pm to
Trading for Brook Lopez would be so fricking stupid.
This post was edited on 2/13/17 at 12:30 pm
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25446 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 12:29 pm to
If that trade went through, we'd have this for next year:

no pg
Buddy/Moore $12M
Hill/DC $15.4M
AD/Diallo $24.6M
Lopez $21M

That's $73M there.
If they can somehow get rid of Ajinca's salary and spread out Asik, then that's another $3.5M, plus Qpon's $3.8M, so basically $7M more.

So we are at $80M, and need 6-8 more players.
there's enough to sign Jrue, and then scrubs, or enough to trade away your draft pick for a $20M player, and then scrubs.

I guess if you can trade for Fournier, and you're at $95M, you can still resign Jrue to $20M and be under the tax, but then you have to find 4-5 guys for a combined $5-7M to stay under the tax, and you'd have to find them before you resign Jrue I believe.

I'm no expert on the salary cap so I could be wrong on a few things.
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
9933 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 12:34 pm to
quote:

While Lopez would be the best big we could trade for, I'm not sure he's the best fit for The Plan.



He also has one year left, then what you pay him $25-30M/yr after paying Jrue $30M/yr? You'd be basically at the cap with 4 players if you traded for a $15M+ player, you would only have $25Mish to fill out the roster(only $10M if Hill isn't moved) and that's assuming you can dump/stretch Asik.
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
9933 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 12:41 pm to
quote:

So we are at $80M, and need 6-8 more players.


You are at $97M with Jrue's cap hold and ~$100M with minimum cap holds.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25446 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 12:47 pm to
so that would mean you can't make a draft night trade where you absorb salary?
cap is only going to be around $102M.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61438 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 1:07 pm to
Add another $1.5 for Dante's cap hold, Lopez is $22.6 next year, you have to count Holiday's cap hold and then there are roster holds.

Even if you stretch Asik and dump Ajinca, you are at about $102.5 million with a $103 million cap with

Holiday (hold) $16.9
Buddy/Moore $12.1
Hill/DC/QPon's insurance money $20.25
AD/Diallo $24.7
Lopez/3 roster holds/Asik stretch $28.5

The only way to trade for someone like Fournier would be trading Moore and Ajinca. Add Hezonja to that trade and it doesn't work. Compare that with trading for Okafor and you have $21 million more to work with so you could trade your 2017 pick straight up for Fournier and Hezonja.

I'm not saying that's what I want to do, but if this is the plan, going with Lopez follows the path we've been on too many times before of not having enough real NBA players on the roster. If they are looking at Okafor as a starter and not backup, that seems pretty stupid. But this early in a rookie deal it's a less costly mistake to make.
This post was edited on 2/13/17 at 1:20 pm
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
11854 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 1:08 pm to
No way in hell I would want that trade. Giving up all the "flexibility" on the roster along with a pick for a 29 year old center with one year and $23 million left on his deal. I would much rather Okafor as at least it has some hint of a potential future player, rather than giving up a lot of assets for one year.
Posted by tigerbait44
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2012
112 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 1:12 pm to
quote:

No way in hell I would want that trade. Giving up all the "flexibility" on the roster along with a pick for a 29 year old center with one year and $23 million left on his deal. I would much rather Okafor as at least it has some hint of a potential future player, rather than giving up a lot of assets for one year.


exactly what this guy said
Posted by Gtothemoney
Da North Shore
Member since Sep 2012
17713 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 3:20 pm to
Brooke loves the perimeter more than AD does.
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