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POBO and GM
Posted on 2/17/19 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 2/17/19 at 2:30 pm
I’m curious after reading various posts, how does the board view the division of labor and responsibility between the two positions?
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Posted on 2/17/19 at 2:39 pm to VOR
I don’t care about titles. POBO and GM or GM and Advisor doesn’t matter to me. I just want a strong basketball brain trust to both make decisions and sell those decisions to an ownership group that may have conflicting interests elsewhere in the empire.
Posted on 2/17/19 at 2:58 pm to VOR
to echo ATL, it doesn't matter about the titles. according to Loomis himself, Dell Demps was basically POBO and GM the past several years. that's a fricking joke.
they need someone with some gravitas/credibility across the league as the top guy in the organization. whether they want that person to be a President who hires a GM or does both (my guess is they go with this), official title is window dressing. they need someone at the top with the authority, vision, and experience to lead an NBA franchise and who sets excellence as the standard throughout the organization
they need someone with some gravitas/credibility across the league as the top guy in the organization. whether they want that person to be a President who hires a GM or does both (my guess is they go with this), official title is window dressing. they need someone at the top with the authority, vision, and experience to lead an NBA franchise and who sets excellence as the standard throughout the organization
Posted on 2/17/19 at 2:59 pm to corndeaux
who they get and who expresses interest in the job will tell us a lot about how serious they are. if, for example, Zarren and Griffin bow out early and publicly, that would make me think ownership still isn't serious about committing fully to the Pels
This post was edited on 2/17/19 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 2/17/19 at 3:00 pm to VOR
Both roles are necessary, I think. When looking at all operations falling under "Basketball Operations," there is a clear need to have someone leading the greater effort and another person handling the duties of assembling a team.
Basketball Ops: scouting, player development, analytics, video, nutrition, facilities, medical, travel, etc.
With that said, this doesn't have to devolve strictly into the two positions of POBO and GM. It's been speculated that Zarren would want the POBO title to come here. If that's the case, I can see a situation similar to Boston's FO:
POBO: Mike Zarren
Dir of Player Personnel: Filled
AGM: Filled
Or Golden State:
POBO: Zarren
GM: Zarren
AGM: Filled
The absolute structure isn't all that important, but the separation of duties and responsibility is.
Basketball Ops: scouting, player development, analytics, video, nutrition, facilities, medical, travel, etc.
With that said, this doesn't have to devolve strictly into the two positions of POBO and GM. It's been speculated that Zarren would want the POBO title to come here. If that's the case, I can see a situation similar to Boston's FO:
POBO: Mike Zarren
Dir of Player Personnel: Filled
AGM: Filled
Or Golden State:
POBO: Zarren
GM: Zarren
AGM: Filled
The absolute structure isn't all that important, but the separation of duties and responsibility is.
Posted on 2/17/19 at 3:39 pm to VOR
As others have said titles don’t necessarily matter and there is more than on way to skin a cat. There are successful organizations that do it different ways.
My personal preference given ownership isn’t basketball savvy is a POBO and GM.
President would be a strong, successful exec that focuses on big picture, every aspect of the organization from scouting to game day experience and is solely focused on making this a first rate org.
The GM or AGM focuses on small picture, the development and structure of team, players, etc.
My personal preference given ownership isn’t basketball savvy is a POBO and GM.
President would be a strong, successful exec that focuses on big picture, every aspect of the organization from scouting to game day experience and is solely focused on making this a first rate org.
The GM or AGM focuses on small picture, the development and structure of team, players, etc.
Posted on 2/17/19 at 3:51 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:
given ownership isn’t basketball savvy
Curious how many owners are b-ball “savy”?
Posted on 2/17/19 at 3:55 pm to Fun Bunch
I predict that both zarren and griffin decline, Avery is interviewed and maybe even somebody like isiah and that they eventually name ferry as POBO and GM. personally I think he got shafted on that incident in ATL and that he is certainly a very viable candidate even if it’s the easy hire
Posted on 2/17/19 at 4:25 pm to Chad504boy
Every NBA owner, other than the Bensons, is savvy enough to set up a front office and org flow chart that isn't headed by a full time football executive.
This post was edited on 2/17/19 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 2/17/19 at 4:27 pm to cgrand
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predict that both zarren and griffin decline
I think so too. Will take a really sweet offer to pry them loose. If the Pels do offer them the keys with the financial resources to back it up and they still decline, not much you can do. At least the team is trying
Posted on 2/17/19 at 4:28 pm to Chad504boy
Is that a joke post from you?
Many.
There are some owners that have been in the league for 30+ years. There’s the Cubans of the world that basically live for their team.
Ms. Benson is awesome but I’m going to go out on a limb and say she is not b-ball savvy.
But back to the topic.
Many.
There are some owners that have been in the league for 30+ years. There’s the Cubans of the world that basically live for their team.
Ms. Benson is awesome but I’m going to go out on a limb and say she is not b-ball savvy.
But back to the topic.
Posted on 2/17/19 at 4:28 pm to corndeaux
I think Griffin would jump at the job if offered. I think Zarren is the longest of long shots.
Posted on 2/17/19 at 4:32 pm to corndeaux
quote:
are. if, for example, Zarren and Griffin bow out early and publicly, that would make me think ownership still isn't serious about committing fully to the Pels
maybe but not necessarily
zarren would have been offered the Sixers job last year and he evidently didn’t want it. Griffin has been in no hurry to grab a job either. It could be that the pels job isn’t that attractive to those guys
and zarren especially...you think he wants his 1st decision to be a franchise altering trade with his former boss that might just be a no win situation? Davis is a once in a lifetime talent, he’s going to succeed on a good team. all eyes will be on zarren and the trade he makes
Posted on 2/17/19 at 4:40 pm to cgrand
True. Good points
Posted on 2/17/19 at 4:52 pm to corndeaux
it’s gonna be ferry
he knows the players in the org and he’s had a chance to watch this whole thing go down. I think he sells them on that
plus he has the experience...and good results to point to. it’s gonna be like free agency, have to find a guy that will say “yes” yo coming here
he knows the players in the org and he’s had a chance to watch this whole thing go down. I think he sells them on that
plus he has the experience...and good results to point to. it’s gonna be like free agency, have to find a guy that will say “yes” yo coming here
Posted on 2/17/19 at 5:06 pm to Fun Bunch
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Is that a joke post from you?
Not in the least. I think you are severely overrating any owners actual basketball savyness. Cuban May be a good business man but he’s no basketball savant.
Posted on 2/17/19 at 5:16 pm to Chad504boy
You think “basketball savvy” means they’re Red Aueurbach?
Posted on 2/17/19 at 5:21 pm to cgrand
quote:Griffin wants total control over all player decisions. If we give him that, I think he takes the job. Is that a safe path?
I predict that both zarren and griffin decline, Avery is interviewed and maybe even somebody like isiah and that they eventually name ferry as POBO and GM. personally I think he got shafted on that incident in ATL and that he is certainly a very viable candidate even if it’s the easy hire
Posted on 2/17/19 at 5:39 pm to cgrand
Why would the pels give Avery Johnson and/or Isiah Thomas the time of day?
NOLA connections or not
NOLA connections or not
Posted on 2/17/19 at 5:57 pm to Fun Bunch
I’ve heard the comment more than a few times on here. Tired of hearing it.
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