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re: Official Free Agency and Trade Thread: Latest Pels sign Charles Cooke to 2 way
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:33 am to Epic Cajun
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:33 am to Epic Cajun
It's not a deal breaker, but he's also an expriring on a small contract so may be he's got some value. He's also coming off a foot injury that required surgery in March. It's that or we take back Jordan Hill since they want to let him go, probably, and is only $1m more expensive. The issue with Hill, though, is that his team option is up on 6/30 so doubtful it'll be exercised unless there is a plan in place beforehand.
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Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:35 am to Epic Cajun
quote:The concern would be whether Minny thinks they can trade Rubio elsewhere for better value and therefore open up enough cap space to fit Jrue in free agency. However, if Jrue wants to leave, I would love this deal to get Rubio AND create a nice TPE while maintain status as over the cap.
The Pels sign Holiday using his Bird Rights, the Timberwolves have something like 22 mil in cap space even before trading away Rubio, so their cap space minus Rubio's contract would allow them to fit Jrue into their team without going over the cap. The Pels can take back Rubio plus the difference between Rubio's salary and Jrue's salary as a TPE.
For example:
Pelicans sign Jrue to a 4/110 contract (flat 27.5 per)
Minnesota fits Jrue into their cap because they have 22 in space and they are sending out Rubio (Jrue is only 27.5 mil, so he fits in easily)
Pels get back Rubio and his 14 mil in salary, and get an 13.5 mil TPE (the difference between Rubio and Jrue's salary), allowing them to stay above the cap
It's likely that Minnesota couldn't fit Jrue into their space without having to make other trades and they are attempting to trade Rubio anyway, so they could do this without the Pelicans having to give up an asset.
This post was edited on 6/26/17 at 11:37 am
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:37 am to NOSHAU
And that is the inherent problem. They almost certainly can get a lottery protected 1st round pick for him, the challenge would be not taking back any salary on their part, which is what a Jrue S&T primarily provides.
But yeah, it seems like we would need to send back more value given their advantageous situation.
But yeah, it seems like we would need to send back more value given their advantageous situation.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:40 am to NOSHAU
that all makes sense, thanks
with regard to trading Rubio first that's the kicker...he will have suitors. still I think that if holiday goes there, and there is any interest in Rubio here, I'd be ok with sending out an asset like a future protected pick. The optics would be terrible (burning ANOTHER pick on holiday) but better in the long run
with regard to trading Rubio first that's the kicker...he will have suitors. still I think that if holiday goes there, and there is any interest in Rubio here, I'd be ok with sending out an asset like a future protected pick. The optics would be terrible (burning ANOTHER pick on holiday) but better in the long run
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:43 am to cgrand
buddy made 1st team all rookie:
quote:
Malcolm Brogdon and Dario Saric have been unanimously selected to the 2016-17 NBA All-Rookie First Team.
Joining Brogdon and Saric on the First Team are 76ers center Joel Embiid (171 points, 82 First Team votes), Sacramento Kings guard Buddy Hield (154 points, 63 First Team votes) and New York Knicks center Willy Hernangomez (128 points, 44 First Team votes).
The NBA All-Rookie Second Team consists of Denver Nuggets guard Jamal Murray (123 points, 34 First Team votes), Boston Celtics forward Jaylen Brown (106 points, 24 First Team votes), Phoenix Suns forward Marquese Chriss (91 points, 20 First Team votes), Los Angeles Lakers forward Brandon Ingram (83 points, 11 First Team votes) and Dallas Mavericks guard Yogi Ferrell (63 points, 7 First Team votes).
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:43 am to cgrand
What if we did Jrue & Ajinca for Rubio & Aldrich?
Ajinca and Aldrich are par to me but Ajinca is $2m cheaper. He would be OK behind Towns and Dieng as far as bigs goes and he can shoot which they want.
We may still need to throw a pick in, but I'm OK with that.
Ajinca and Aldrich are par to me but Ajinca is $2m cheaper. He would be OK behind Towns and Dieng as far as bigs goes and he can shoot which they want.
We may still need to throw a pick in, but I'm OK with that.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:45 am to BallHawk
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What if we did Jrue & Ajinca for Rubio & Aldrich?
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:50 am to Fun Bunch
I get the trepidation but Aldrich is essentially an expiring. Only on the books for 2018-2019 at $2m+ if not waived by 6/30/18
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:52 am to BallHawk
quote:
Only on the books for 2018-2019 at $2m+ if not waived by 6/30/18
Ok that is good info.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:53 am to NOSHAU
quote:
The concern would be whether Minny thinks they can trade Rubio elsewhere for better value and therefore open up enough cap space to fit Jrue in free agency. However, if Jrue wants to leave, I would love this deal to get Rubio AND create a nice TPE while maintain status as over the cap.
There'd have to be no market for Rubio to be able to pull of a Holiday/Rubio S&T. I still think a Moore for Rubio package makes a lot of sense for both sides. And in the Pelicans case it reduces the value of Justin Holiday to the Wolves which hopefully reduces their interest in Jrue. If Moore for Rubio makes Minnesota more interested in Collison/Teague/Hill than Jrue then maybe you get Jrue and his brother for a price you want. Losing Moore also increases the value Justin provides to the team.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:55 am to Fun Bunch
Minny tested/is testing the market to know what is the value of Rubio.
Best case for them is to trade him for a pick. With no salary back.
With Aldrich they may have problem with finding new home. Also Dengs contract starts this year.
So they cannot take salary back. This is why they wont match Shabazz.
Doing s&t might be smart. Including Aldrich also.
In last Duncdon podcast Duncan & Leroux mentioned this s&t as making much sense.
The question is - will Minny prefer good PF or good PG.
Like Denver...
Best case for them is to trade him for a pick. With no salary back.
With Aldrich they may have problem with finding new home. Also Dengs contract starts this year.
So they cannot take salary back. This is why they wont match Shabazz.
Doing s&t might be smart. Including Aldrich also.
In last Duncdon podcast Duncan & Leroux mentioned this s&t as making much sense.
The question is - will Minny prefer good PF or good PG.
Like Denver...
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:57 am to TigerinATL
I like this idea too. I think, either way, Rubio is a very realistic option.
Moore + QPon + 1st for Rubio?
Moore + QPon + 1st for Rubio?
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:58 am to pawel
Denver sounds like they are trying to squeeze their way into the PG-13 game by getting Love which would be solid for them to get away from Faried.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:09 pm to BallHawk
AD 2nd team all-defense
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:11 pm to BallHawk
quote:
Moore + QPon + 1st for Rubio?
2nds maybe, if they're getting Moore they aren't getting a 1st IMO.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:14 pm to TigerinATL
Even better to me. I know they don't want too much, if any, salary back.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:14 pm to TigerinATL
read an article this am that we're interested in Rondo when/if the Bulls waive him
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:18 pm to Machine
Meh, I truly don't know how valid that is. There is some merit to it, maybe with Erman and Boogie, but I'd think it's more for leverage against Jrue
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:44 pm to BallHawk
Not surprising even if true. He'd be cheap. Boogie likes him and respects him, if they both keep each other in check he's a positive on the team.. We would need spacing but it's not much worse than rubio
Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:26 pm to cgrand
Who votes on the all defensive team?
whoever voted for Lillard and IT shouldn't be allowed to have a vote or even an opinion on anything to do with the NBA anymore.
whoever voted for Lillard and IT shouldn't be allowed to have a vote or even an opinion on anything to do with the NBA anymore.
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