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Posted on 6/10/17 at 12:41 am to Number 31
Shaq won titles with two teams, and nearly a third, and it took Nick Anderson missing four straight free throws and a HoF center defending Shaq to stop it from being 3 teams.
Posted on 6/11/17 at 1:00 am to Crewz
Basically this.
There's no formula for beating this team. They ran through the best the west had to offer without losing a single game and the major reason they didn't sweep Cleveland is because the league needed more ratings and more money.
I will say that being physical with them does seem to put them off to an extent but you'd really just need two or three of them to be off for a night (let alone 4) to win a series against them. You can't slow them down, you can't get in a shootout with them, your best bet is to get physical with them and hope it takes them off their game.
There's no formula for beating this team. They ran through the best the west had to offer without losing a single game and the major reason they didn't sweep Cleveland is because the league needed more ratings and more money.
I will say that being physical with them does seem to put them off to an extent but you'd really just need two or three of them to be off for a night (let alone 4) to win a series against them. You can't slow them down, you can't get in a shootout with them, your best bet is to get physical with them and hope it takes them off their game.
Posted on 6/11/17 at 3:00 am to DudeK2
Or revert back to the old rules and level the playing field.
Posted on 6/11/17 at 4:46 pm to oncealurker
Cousins and Davis are the exact type of front court players that would give Golden State problems. Golden State does not have a big man that could even slow down either of them.
If Triston Thompson actually plays to his role and potential he gives Golden State huge problems.
Basically you focus on contesting 3 pt shots, getting them in foul trouble, and dominating the boards.
Golden State is superior because their players are consistent, they have a deep team, and it the number of athletic all-around big men is limited in the league. Davis and Cousins could be the core to construct a team to oppose a Golden State. That is if you could get a deep enough team around them.
Golden State doesn't have one guy that could even guard either of them decently. So Jrue guards Curry, Hill guards Durant, Davis guards Green. Zaza or Mcgee is matched up with Cousins. That leaves the primary match up with Thompson to fill out. It would be incredibly tough to guard the perimeter, but Davis and Cousins would completely control the paint.
If Triston Thompson actually plays to his role and potential he gives Golden State huge problems.
Basically you focus on contesting 3 pt shots, getting them in foul trouble, and dominating the boards.
Golden State is superior because their players are consistent, they have a deep team, and it the number of athletic all-around big men is limited in the league. Davis and Cousins could be the core to construct a team to oppose a Golden State. That is if you could get a deep enough team around them.
Golden State doesn't have one guy that could even guard either of them decently. So Jrue guards Curry, Hill guards Durant, Davis guards Green. Zaza or Mcgee is matched up with Cousins. That leaves the primary match up with Thompson to fill out. It would be incredibly tough to guard the perimeter, but Davis and Cousins would completely control the paint.
Posted on 6/11/17 at 6:21 pm to Colonel Flagg
I do think the answer to the Warriors is to somewhat zig while they zag. Teams like SA, OKC and CLE last year do show that bigger lineups can be problematic.
I will say my biggest discouragement from seeing Cousins/Davis playing this season is making it so crystal clear how the game is called in this era. And it is not in a way that benefits our particular duo.
It's not even so much the rules that are on the books, it's how they seem to be enforced.
There is still seemingly this culture in officiating that you have to 'neuter' freakish big men ALA Shaq, or else they will break the game. So you saw pretty regularly how a guy like Cousins was affected because of how his defenders are given a lot of leeway to defend him by going over the legal line without punishment, and Cousins would in turn be officiated very tightly when he is the defender.
Meanwhile you have an almost farcical situation now on the perimeter where the "go to" move is to screen for a shooter on the perimeter and then flail and heave to get 3FTA's. Then in the interior the smaller players are still sort of officiated with a "protected citizen" mentality. So guys like Harden can make a career off of getting calls on minor contact.
Harden may draw 7-9 fouls in the interior of a game, get almost all of them, but also flop and get several more. Whereas big men like Cousins will get 10-12 fouls on them in the interior or post, maybe get 4-7 of them depending on the crew or night, and then pretty much never get benefit-of-a-doubt calls. All while being a position that typically struggles more to actually hit their FT's.
On the surface you can say, well Cousins and Davis are top 5 in the league on FTA's so it seems to be playing out fine. Technically true, but how many possessions are successfully defended or possessions made much more difficult to convert because they don't get calls they should vs their opponents that are built around guards and SF's?
One of my concerns with latching onto Holliday is that he is the opposite of what you want in terms of countering that particular systemic disadvantage in the league today. One thing those teams I mentioned have to go with their bigger lineups that we currently don't, are guards and/or SF's that can take advantage of the way the league confers officiating preference.
I will say my biggest discouragement from seeing Cousins/Davis playing this season is making it so crystal clear how the game is called in this era. And it is not in a way that benefits our particular duo.
It's not even so much the rules that are on the books, it's how they seem to be enforced.
There is still seemingly this culture in officiating that you have to 'neuter' freakish big men ALA Shaq, or else they will break the game. So you saw pretty regularly how a guy like Cousins was affected because of how his defenders are given a lot of leeway to defend him by going over the legal line without punishment, and Cousins would in turn be officiated very tightly when he is the defender.
Meanwhile you have an almost farcical situation now on the perimeter where the "go to" move is to screen for a shooter on the perimeter and then flail and heave to get 3FTA's. Then in the interior the smaller players are still sort of officiated with a "protected citizen" mentality. So guys like Harden can make a career off of getting calls on minor contact.
Harden may draw 7-9 fouls in the interior of a game, get almost all of them, but also flop and get several more. Whereas big men like Cousins will get 10-12 fouls on them in the interior or post, maybe get 4-7 of them depending on the crew or night, and then pretty much never get benefit-of-a-doubt calls. All while being a position that typically struggles more to actually hit their FT's.
On the surface you can say, well Cousins and Davis are top 5 in the league on FTA's so it seems to be playing out fine. Technically true, but how many possessions are successfully defended or possessions made much more difficult to convert because they don't get calls they should vs their opponents that are built around guards and SF's?
One of my concerns with latching onto Holliday is that he is the opposite of what you want in terms of countering that particular systemic disadvantage in the league today. One thing those teams I mentioned have to go with their bigger lineups that we currently don't, are guards and/or SF's that can take advantage of the way the league confers officiating preference.
This post was edited on 6/11/17 at 6:23 pm
Posted on 6/11/17 at 7:06 pm to bonhoeffer45
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Meanwhile you have an almost farcical situation now on the perimeter where the "go to" move is to screen for a shooter on the perimeter and then flail and heave to get 3FTA's. Then in the interior the smaller players are still sort of officiated with a "protected citizen" mentality. So guys like Harden can make a career off of getting calls on minor contact.
The NBA has to do something about being able to go over screens. For one, that call has been officiated incorrectly all year, and it seems that they just didn't want to admit they fricked it up 500x before calling it right. Players no longer are in the "act of shooting" on fouls where they create contact with their arms by swinging through the defender's outstretched hand. That is a common foul now. Now, some guys were running into the player while they threw up the nonsense shot when they felt contact, but the majority of guys like Harden came from him using his off arm to create contact with the defender reaching in over the screen.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 2:15 pm to Crewz
Hand checking substitutes for foot speed. Garbage d.
Glad its gone. You want to even things up a bit, end carry and palming. Then you can beat kd in the open court with hand speed.
Glad its gone. You want to even things up a bit, end carry and palming. Then you can beat kd in the open court with hand speed.
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