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If you could replace Demps and Gentry
Posted on 12/26/16 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 12/26/16 at 4:49 pm
Today, who would you pick?
I would hire John Calipari and idk who to hire as GM.
I would hire John Calipari and idk who to hire as GM.
Posted on 12/26/16 at 4:54 pm to TulaneFan
A bum off the street might do better. I don't care.
I'll take Cal.
Would love to hire Travis Schlenk and give him free reign to completely redo the entire Basketball Ops into a real professional org. He can hire whatever coach he wants.
I'll take Cal.
Would love to hire Travis Schlenk and give him free reign to completely redo the entire Basketball Ops into a real professional org. He can hire whatever coach he wants.
This post was edited on 12/26/16 at 4:54 pm
Posted on 12/26/16 at 4:58 pm to TulaneFan
I'd hire JVG and tell him to hire and retain whoever he wanted but that the strengths of the FO and coaches should be drafting/scouting and player development.
Side note, one of the guys in the Pels FO is a whiz kid that was basically the DraftExpress of High School recruiting. So he seems like an asset worth keeping as do the 2 assistants that survived the move from Monty's staff, shooting coach Fred Vinson and Bigs coach Kevin Hansen.
Side note, one of the guys in the Pels FO is a whiz kid that was basically the DraftExpress of High School recruiting. So he seems like an asset worth keeping as do the 2 assistants that survived the move from Monty's staff, shooting coach Fred Vinson and Bigs coach Kevin Hansen.
Posted on 12/26/16 at 5:07 pm to TulaneFan
goddamnit it doesn't matter who coaches or who GMs until the directive from Benson changes
This post was edited on 12/26/16 at 5:08 pm
Posted on 12/26/16 at 5:18 pm to TigerinATL
I'd hire the GM and let him determine the best coach.
Honestly I wouldn't commit to any one person if this was for real lol. I would conduct a rigorous vetting and interview process that included a collaboration with consultants and brain trusts to help make the best decision.
If I don't get that lol, I guess I like Schlenk, Mike Zarren(though I am mixed on his capacity to draft), and I will get flamed, but I actually like Sam Hinkie.
Honestly I wouldn't commit to any one person if this was for real lol. I would conduct a rigorous vetting and interview process that included a collaboration with consultants and brain trusts to help make the best decision.
If I don't get that lol, I guess I like Schlenk, Mike Zarren(though I am mixed on his capacity to draft), and I will get flamed, but I actually like Sam Hinkie.
This post was edited on 12/26/16 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 12/26/16 at 5:27 pm to Let Me Take A Selfie
I would keep Benson just because I would feel better about the franchise staying in New Orleans.
Posted on 12/26/16 at 5:35 pm to Let Me Take A Selfie
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goddamnit it doesn't matter who coaches or who GMs until the directive from Benson changes
I don't buy that. I'm not saying the next GM would be able to tear down and rebuild, but someone on a new 3 year contract is not going to feel the same pressure as Demps to make win now moves. The only moves I'd like to make that I think might get vetoed would be trading Holiday, and I could work with being stuck with Jrue.
I just don't think Benson is the obstacle for long-term success that he is made out to be. Especially now that AD is the main pressure point behind win now.
This post was edited on 12/26/16 at 5:41 pm
Posted on 12/26/16 at 5:53 pm to TigerinATL
I guess it gets back to that still unsolved question of how much emphasis the higher up's have had in the past, currently have or will have in the future on winning sooner then later.
I just hope you are right Tiger, because I think if ownership and the higher up's DO have a sticking point of making the playoffs "soon" at the forefront of their requirements for any new hire, it will be a self-defeating decision. Because the wiser GM prospects will not want to risk their reputations and careers on an antsy franchise with lots of structural problems and narrow-minded expectations.
I just hope you are right Tiger, because I think if ownership and the higher up's DO have a sticking point of making the playoffs "soon" at the forefront of their requirements for any new hire, it will be a self-defeating decision. Because the wiser GM prospects will not want to risk their reputations and careers on an antsy franchise with lots of structural problems and narrow-minded expectations.
Posted on 12/26/16 at 6:01 pm to Fun Bunch
What happens if Cal doesn't get Wall, Cousins, etc?
Posted on 12/26/16 at 6:06 pm to NOLA Bronco
I'm not saying Benson doesn't want to win now, I'm saying AD wants to win now as much or more and isn't so senile that he can be easily distracted and manipulated.
This post was edited on 12/26/16 at 6:08 pm
Posted on 12/26/16 at 6:14 pm to TigerinATL
If Dell and Monty/Gentry felt any level of job security at all with this regime, a lot of the moves the Pels have made wouldn't have happened
You don't think Dell with a guaranteed 5 extra years and zero pressure to win in year 1 doesn't make different moves?
You don't think Dell with a guaranteed 5 extra years and zero pressure to win in year 1 doesn't make different moves?
Posted on 12/26/16 at 6:26 pm to Let Me Take A Selfie
I agree and said that in my response to you about a new GM wouldn't feel the same amount of pressure. But even if a new GM wasn't worried about getting fired he'd still have to convince AD of moves. He may not have official veto power but you want him bought in. I doubt he agrees with a trade that sends out Holiday for something like Rondo and future assets. I'm not even sure he'd like Holiday/Asik for Lavine/Pekovic.
Posted on 12/26/16 at 6:33 pm to theducks
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What happens if Cal doesn't get Wall, Cousins, etc?
I expect the Pelicans path to success would be through the draft. That's why they need to blow it up and start over, think about setting yourself up to win in 3 years.
Posted on 12/26/16 at 6:42 pm to TigerinATL
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I'm not saying Benson doesn't want to win now, I'm saying AD wants to win now as much or more and isn't so senile that he can be easily distracted and manipulated.
If we assume that, I think the real question is can this team realistically come out the other end of a situation where Davis does that? And if we can't say yes then that means there needs to be some hard choices considered. Because it might already be too late.
I think if that is the situation, you are basically going to forfeit any elite GM prospects because they are not going to want to operate in such a volatile situation IMO. Which lowers the potential for success even more.
Though I guess it all goes to show how bad decisions early on can have snowballing effects years later that just encourage even more poor decisions.
Posted on 12/26/16 at 6:52 pm to NOLA Bronco
I think AD would be reasonable, but a new GM would need to have a vision beyond "you have to get worse to get good. " if you do something like don't bring back Holiday you need a good alternative. I don't know how many more sub .500 seasons AD can stomach even for $50 million.
Posted on 12/26/16 at 6:58 pm to TigerinATL
this franchisedoesn't hsve a 3-5 year window to re-build. That's a pipe dream
Posted on 12/26/16 at 7:01 pm to TulaneFan
I'd volunteer the guy who runs fake Dell Demps account on twitter. He's at least willing to ask the audience and check 2k. It would at least be great for a laugh or two
Posted on 12/26/16 at 7:09 pm to TulaneFan
Posted on 12/26/16 at 7:17 pm to TigerinATL
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I think AD would be reasonable, but a new GM would need to have a vision beyond "you have to get worse to get good. " if you do something like don't bring back Holiday you need a good alternative. I don't know how many more sub .500 seasons AD can stomach even for $50 million.
IDK how many he can either. Which is why this situation seems to be a very difficult one to maneuver.
I guess at the end of the day much of this is going to come down to how the rest of the season plays out.
Posted on 12/27/16 at 8:39 am to VOR
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this franchisedoesn't hsve a 3-5 year window to re-build. That's a pipe dream
yup. like ATL and Bronco point out- pressure is coming from Davis too. and with a paltry asset cupboard (i think 1sts will be somewhat less valuable due to 50% jump in salary), the timeframe+expectations basically mean this is a no win job. if you're an up and comer, why jump to a sinking ship and be the guy who had to trade Anthony Davis or watch him walk?
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if you do something like don't bring back Holiday you need a good alternative
the alternative here is moving Holiday for a player and then banking on Evans to come back healthy aka 504byrd wet dream
Aldridge had this trade in is Morning Tip:
Noel + 2nd for Holiday
that seems to ignore some obvious Evans/Gentry issues, but it makes sense if you have faith in Evans returning to form
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