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If We Don't Sign Holiday, What Next?
Posted on 6/14/17 at 10:36 am
Posted on 6/14/17 at 10:36 am
What should the Pels do if Holiday doesn't re-sign? Looking at things objectively, he didn’t play very well since the Boogie trade. Does Jrue want to stay? How do we make the playoffs next season if Holiday leaves and we get no compensation for him?
No doubt, the simplest way to the playoffs next season would be to re-sign Holiday, while adding both a perimeter wing and a ball-handler (with the MLE and trade). If Jrue leaves, a sign-and-trade would be useful. I think it would be naive of us to expect this scenario though. We should plan for the worst, in case plans A and B don't come to fruition.
We aren't dead in the water if we lose Jrue, there will be a few FA's available that could have a similar impact as him on the Pelicans. It would make sense to sign one of the following: Rose, Hardaway Jr, Snell, Teague, Tyreke, Hill, Mills. We would still be in position to trade for a player like Bledsloe, Rubio, Clarkson, Crabbe.
Worse case, our roster would look like this to begin the season:
PG- Clarkson/ Frazier
SG- Hardaway Jr/ Moore/ Crawford
SF- Hill/ Young/ Pondexter
PF- Cousins/ Cunningham/ Diallo
C- Davis/ Asik
No doubt, the simplest way to the playoffs next season would be to re-sign Holiday, while adding both a perimeter wing and a ball-handler (with the MLE and trade). If Jrue leaves, a sign-and-trade would be useful. I think it would be naive of us to expect this scenario though. We should plan for the worst, in case plans A and B don't come to fruition.
We aren't dead in the water if we lose Jrue, there will be a few FA's available that could have a similar impact as him on the Pelicans. It would make sense to sign one of the following: Rose, Hardaway Jr, Snell, Teague, Tyreke, Hill, Mills. We would still be in position to trade for a player like Bledsloe, Rubio, Clarkson, Crabbe.
Worse case, our roster would look like this to begin the season:
PG- Clarkson/ Frazier
SG- Hardaway Jr/ Moore/ Crawford
SF- Hill/ Young/ Pondexter
PF- Cousins/ Cunningham/ Diallo
C- Davis/ Asik
This post was edited on 6/14/17 at 10:37 am
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Posted on 6/14/17 at 10:45 am to PelicansBay
Honestly, him leaving isn't the worst thing that could happen to us imo. Signing him to 5 years $125 million would be worse. But we would most definitely have to make another move to get a floor general here and someone to replace his shooting. I think we can get one or two of the guys from that list of players you gave (hopefully not Rose lol).
AD would want to strangle you if he saw this
quote:
PF- Cousins/ Cunningham/ Diallo
C- Davis/ Asik
AD would want to strangle you if he saw this
Posted on 6/14/17 at 10:50 am to PelicansBay
Scenarios:
1) Just re-sign Cousins now using the space so you have him locked down and make a bunch of minor, flexible moves. You won't be a super great team next year but you will be flexible and locked in with two stars.
2) Renounce everyone you can, move QPon/Ajinca into space, stretch Asik -- In the hopes of signing someone like Kyle Lowry.
3) Operate above the cap, move pieces for someone like Rubio, use the MLE, other exceptions available, run with what you've got, stay flexible.
1) Just re-sign Cousins now using the space so you have him locked down and make a bunch of minor, flexible moves. You won't be a super great team next year but you will be flexible and locked in with two stars.
2) Renounce everyone you can, move QPon/Ajinca into space, stretch Asik -- In the hopes of signing someone like Kyle Lowry.
3) Operate above the cap, move pieces for someone like Rubio, use the MLE, other exceptions available, run with what you've got, stay flexible.
This post was edited on 6/14/17 at 10:54 am
Posted on 6/14/17 at 10:53 am to PelicansBay
That is VERY dependent on whether he leaves via a S&T or not. If Holiday walks without a S&T and you stretch Asik, you've only got $19-$20 million in cap space and the Room Exception. I'm not sure what you do with that when you'd need a starting PG and SG. It's enough to get a decent starter at 1 position but not both.
Another direction to take if Holiday walks is to stay above the cap by flipping Asik for more salary like Asik and Toupane for Crabbe.
Another direction to take if Holiday walks is to stay above the cap by flipping Asik for more salary like Asik and Toupane for Crabbe.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 10:54 am to Fun Bunch
Option 3 with a coke, please.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 11:10 am to PelicansBay
I personally hope we pull off the miracle Asik for Matthews deal (hoping the Mavs fall in love with Redick) and then sign Simmons with the MLE and Casspi with the BAE.
Draft Nigel Williams-Goss
Trade Frazier for Kyle O'Quinn (use TPE)
Re-Sign Dante Cunningham
Holiday / NWG / Cook
Matthews / Moore / Crawford
Hill / Simmons / Casspi
Davis / Cunningham / Diallo
Cousins / O'Quinn / Ajinca
Draft Nigel Williams-Goss
Trade Frazier for Kyle O'Quinn (use TPE)
Re-Sign Dante Cunningham
Holiday / NWG / Cook
Matthews / Moore / Crawford
Hill / Simmons / Casspi
Davis / Cunningham / Diallo
Cousins / O'Quinn / Ajinca
This post was edited on 6/14/17 at 11:13 am
Posted on 6/14/17 at 11:43 am to BallHawk
I would be very happy with that scenario ballhawk.
I like O'quinn on this team. He's the exact guy you want at center when one of AD or Cousins is out. And id love to get Simmons but i dont think hes goinf anywhere unless spurs make a big signing like CP3.
I like O'quinn on this team. He's the exact guy you want at center when one of AD or Cousins is out. And id love to get Simmons but i dont think hes goinf anywhere unless spurs make a big signing like CP3.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 11:45 am to Fun Bunch
quote:
1) Just re-sign Cousins now using the space so you have him locked down and make a bunch of minor, flexible moves. You won't be a super great team next year but you will be flexible and locked in with two stars.
I wish we could re-sign Boogie now. If he had made one of the All-NBA teams this year, our chances would be better (he would have qualified for a larger contract). If Cousins is ready to sign, the Pels would extend him immediately.
This post was edited on 6/14/17 at 11:50 am
Posted on 6/14/17 at 11:47 am to BallHawk
quote:i really like him but if that kid from Colorado is available, i'd rather him
Draft Nigel Williams-Goss
Posted on 6/14/17 at 11:47 am to TeddyPadillac
I think the Spurs have a decision to make on Simmons and Mills. I think they keep one, not both. Mills seems more likely to stay IMO.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 11:49 am to Machine
I'd take White too, but I'll be shocked if he's there.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 11:50 am to BallHawk
quote:
Trade Frazier for Kyle O'Quinn (use TPE)
Can you explain this part? The TPE cannot be combined with anything else in a trade. If your idea is to trade Frazier and the TPE for Kyle O'Quinn, that won't work. I could be misunderstanding what you are saying here, though.
ETA: If they don't want one of Cook or Toupane, they could trade Frazier and one of those guys for O'Quinn (if the Knicks would accept that).
This post was edited on 6/14/17 at 11:54 am
Posted on 6/14/17 at 11:52 am to PelicansBay
quote:
If he had made one of the All-NBA teams this year, our chances would be better (he would have qualified for a larger contract). If Cousins is ready to sign, the Pels would extend him immediately.
Wrong, he does not qualify for DPE because he has been traded from his original team after 4 years of being there.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 11:53 am to Epic Cajun
Cajun, good catch/call.
I guess it would be have to be two separate deals.
Our TPE is $3m, O'Quinn makes $4.5. Frazier is at $2.2m.
Frazier to NYK into their cap space
O'Quinn to NOLA using exceptions...or can two exceptions not be used on the same trade?
I guess it would be have to be two separate deals.
Our TPE is $3m, O'Quinn makes $4.5. Frazier is at $2.2m.
Frazier to NYK into their cap space
O'Quinn to NOLA using exceptions...or can two exceptions not be used on the same trade?
Posted on 6/14/17 at 11:55 am to BallHawk
quote:
O'Quinn to NOLA using exceptions...or can two exceptions not be used on the same trade?
TPEs can't be combined. Frazier makes 2m, Cook or Toupane are at about 1.3 (unguaranteed) which would work for O'Quinn's salary.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 11:57 am to Epic Cajun
Ah yeah I always forget Toupane. That's assuming their contracts will be grandfathered in to new CBA trade rules.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 11:58 am to Epic Cajun
That only changes my scenario slightly.
Frazier and Toupane for O'Quinn
Keep TPE and even better I've kept the 2018 pick
Frazier and Toupane for O'Quinn
Keep TPE and even better I've kept the 2018 pick
Posted on 6/14/17 at 12:10 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:
Wrong, he does not qualify for DPE because he has been traded from his original team after 4 years of being there.
If Boogie can't get a bigger contract after next season (even if he makes an All-NBA team), there's no reason he shouldn't sign an extension now.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 12:14 pm to PelicansBay
To be clear, we can still offer him more than other teams.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 12:40 pm to Machine
quote:
quote:
Draft Nigel Williams-Goss
i really like him but if that kid from Colorado is available, i'd rather him
If we can get any of the following at #40, I'll be happy: Hart, Sumner, Jackson, Mason, Evans.
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