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Posted on 6/12/12 at 8:13 am to MrPappagiorgio
I think Jordan is the expectation. He could be better than Jordan, but he's every bit the non-competitor, so he could chump even harder.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 8:16 am to SlowFlowPro
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well yeah, but players can only get so good, based on potential. leonard wouldn't be a horrible choice, but he doesn't have much potential. you can get guys like leonard in free agency for cheap most every year
how many white american centers pan out? the dreaded "athletic" white american centers rarely do much in the NBA. typically they end up doing the same shite drummond is expected to do, but at a lower level
And blacks will never be decent quarterbacks... seriously, what gives Drummond more upside? Higher reach in platforms and skin tone?
ETA: It has to be that free throw shooting precision.
This post was edited on 6/12/12 at 8:18 am
Posted on 6/12/12 at 8:19 am to Jester
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seriously, what gives Drummond more upside?
athleticism
and that extra muscle in his leg
Seriously though, he has the potential to be more explosive and more powerful than Leonard... He already has the body of Dwight, just needs to learn how to play basketball.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 8:19 am to Jester
I suppose I'll waste my time arguing with you.
Obviously they are all physically gifted, or else they would not be considered for the NBA. I thought this was something obvious enough to not have to be stated, but I guess it wasn't. He is more physically gifted than the average college big man.
Defensive rebounding is not a direct correlation of him being physically gifted. Him not hustling for rebounds is more of a sign of mental than physical.
PLEASE show me where you destroyed my argument. I' not a huge Drummond fan, but all I was pointing out was he physically gifted he was. You pointed out his height with out shoes, I then proceeded to give you a list of his other measureables that are higher than average, and you avoided that at all costs.
Where did I "swear"?
If the shoe fits...
TKfrickingO (There, I "sweared")
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I didn't say he isn't physically talented. All players being discussed are physically talented
Obviously they are all physically gifted, or else they would not be considered for the NBA. I thought this was something obvious enough to not have to be stated, but I guess it wasn't. He is more physically gifted than the average college big man.
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If he's so physically intimidating, why does he suck at defensive rebounding?
Defensive rebounding is not a direct correlation of him being physically gifted. Him not hustling for rebounds is more of a sign of mental than physical.
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1. Have argument destroyed
PLEASE show me where you destroyed my argument. I' not a huge Drummond fan, but all I was pointing out was he physically gifted he was. You pointed out his height with out shoes, I then proceeded to give you a list of his other measureables that are higher than average, and you avoided that at all costs.
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2. Swear
Where did I "swear"?
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3. Insult
If the shoe fits...
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Internet winning
TKfrickingO (There, I "sweared")
Posted on 6/12/12 at 8:21 am to Jester
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Let's just make him 7'2" and he'll be a hall of famer
Exaggerations are always going to prove your point
/sarcasamoff
Posted on 6/12/12 at 8:22 am to Jester
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seriously, what gives Drummond more upside?
he's already got 30 lbs of muscle over leonard and is more athletic
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And blacks will never be decent quarterbacks
can you name me the last "athletic" american white center who did anything in the NBA? the only 2 white, american centers who are decent in the NBA are skilled, not athletic, 5s. and we own bird's rights on one (kaman)
i'm not saying that leonard cannot become a good center, but i refuse to buy into the hype on his type, b/c every time there is a guy like him in the draft they get over valued and picked too high
Posted on 6/12/12 at 8:22 am to mm2316
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Exaggerations are always going to prove your point
/sarcasamoff
Who is sarcasam? Are you sarcasam? Nice to meet you, sam.
/jesteroff
This post was edited on 6/12/12 at 8:28 am
Posted on 6/12/12 at 8:24 am to SlowFlowPro
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i'm not saying that leonard cannot become a good center, but i refuse to buy into the hype on his type, b/c every time there is a guy like him in the draft they get over valued and picked too high
Cole Aldrich has played very well for the Thunder
Posted on 6/12/12 at 8:25 am to SlowFlowPro
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i'm not saying that leonard cannot become a good center, but i refuse to buy into the hype on his type, b/c every time there is a guy like him in the draft they get over valued and picked too high
Okay, name one white american center that is as big as Leonard AND has his vertical leap. I can also name you a dozen comparisons to Drummond who became chumps. It's a stupid exercise, though.
Take that extra inch that they inserted into Drummond's shoes for the measurements out and the standing reach is moot.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 8:27 am to MrPappagiorgio
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Cole Aldrich has played very well for the Thunder
Aldrich is only 6'9". I really can't think of a single player in the last 10 years to compare to Leonard.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 8:27 am to Jester
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Okay, name one white american center that is as big as Leonard AND has his vertical leap.
Robert Swift
Posted on 6/12/12 at 8:28 am to Jester
Most of the top 15 are physical specimens? No they are not! Davis, Drummond, MKG and the Jones boys are the only physical specimens in the draft. The rest are just basketball bodies...
Leonard is getting way too overrated for me at this point and he is just getting traction because he is 7'1. Like I said he may be solid but before the end of the season he wasn't even a bonafide lottery pick!
We have to take a calculated risk at the 10 spot to get a core player. We need a scorer and defender, preferably rolled into one player. I say if its a guard it has to be Rivers bc of his shooting, penetration, and ball handling abilities.
If its a big man, it has to be Drummond or Moultrie because they have the bodies to contribute sooner than later. Zeller and Leonard will never be All Star material. We've seen that type of player come in recently... Aldrich, Collison, can't remember the guy from Ohio State recently, etc. They don't pan out. Serviceable yes, difference maker and potential starter, no.
They are non lottery players and would be solid additions if picked say after the 15th pick. But for my 10 spot, I need starter material.
Sullinger is hands down better than Zeller and Leonard and most scouts are skeptical of him being starter material because of his physical limitations but some wanna draft Leonard over him if he still on the board? Cmon people, the big man spot is the hardest to draft but I'm not drafting a big man who has reached his ceiling already.
That's why Howard went before Oak bc the Howard potential was too great to not draft #1. Same with Drummond if he slips to us. We got Davis, so were playing with house money at 10. Drummond offers potential greatness if he puts it together. Zeller and Leonard offer backup players who we'll be looking to replace in the starting lineup after 2-3 years if they even show they are capable of starting for stretches at a time.
Put it this way? Kwame Brown went #1 off his skill set at the time and we know Drummond is exceptionally better at the same stage... So Drummond can't get picked 10th if he is still on the board? Zeller and Leonard don't even have the look to be on a big three billboard!
Leonard just got handled in combine workouts the other day and Royce White was the best big man that day! Cmon.
Leonard is getting way too overrated for me at this point and he is just getting traction because he is 7'1. Like I said he may be solid but before the end of the season he wasn't even a bonafide lottery pick!
We have to take a calculated risk at the 10 spot to get a core player. We need a scorer and defender, preferably rolled into one player. I say if its a guard it has to be Rivers bc of his shooting, penetration, and ball handling abilities.
If its a big man, it has to be Drummond or Moultrie because they have the bodies to contribute sooner than later. Zeller and Leonard will never be All Star material. We've seen that type of player come in recently... Aldrich, Collison, can't remember the guy from Ohio State recently, etc. They don't pan out. Serviceable yes, difference maker and potential starter, no.
They are non lottery players and would be solid additions if picked say after the 15th pick. But for my 10 spot, I need starter material.
Sullinger is hands down better than Zeller and Leonard and most scouts are skeptical of him being starter material because of his physical limitations but some wanna draft Leonard over him if he still on the board? Cmon people, the big man spot is the hardest to draft but I'm not drafting a big man who has reached his ceiling already.
That's why Howard went before Oak bc the Howard potential was too great to not draft #1. Same with Drummond if he slips to us. We got Davis, so were playing with house money at 10. Drummond offers potential greatness if he puts it together. Zeller and Leonard offer backup players who we'll be looking to replace in the starting lineup after 2-3 years if they even show they are capable of starting for stretches at a time.
Put it this way? Kwame Brown went #1 off his skill set at the time and we know Drummond is exceptionally better at the same stage... So Drummond can't get picked 10th if he is still on the board? Zeller and Leonard don't even have the look to be on a big three billboard!
Leonard just got handled in combine workouts the other day and Royce White was the best big man that day! Cmon.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 8:29 am to Jester
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I can also name you a dozen comparisons to Drummond
no you can't
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Okay, name one white american center that is as big as Leonard AND has his vertical leap
i don't even know what his vertical was
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Take that extra inch that they inserted into Drummond's shoes for the measurements out and the standing reach is moot.
you keep bringing up drommond's shoes. do we just dismiss the 1.5" that leonard got?
Posted on 6/12/12 at 8:32 am to SlowFlowPro
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he's already got 30 lbs of muscle over leonard and is more athletic
Is he? I know he's bigger, but the scouts were all seemingly very impressed with Leonard's athleticism. Drummond wouldn't stand behind his athleticism, though. Too afraid of being exposed, I suppose. It's easier to ride the hype train and hope for the best, I guess.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 8:34 am to Jester
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Who is sarcasam? Are you sarcasam? Nice to meet you, sam.
Me-1 You-0
Posted on 6/12/12 at 8:35 am to SlowFlowPro
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you keep bringing up drommond's shoes. do we just dismiss the 1.5" that leonard got?
Drummond's inserts are just more laughable because he lost a full 2 inches when he took off his shoes. Must have been high tops to keep his heels inside the shoe. To me, the way Drummond has approached the draft has made me start to feel more and more like I would pass on him at 10.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 8:36 am to mm2316
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Me-1 You-0
Are you scoring your own arguments now? I guess if you need to "win," have at it. 
Posted on 6/12/12 at 8:36 am to Jester
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but the scouts were all seemingly very impressed with Leonard's athleticism
you have to remember what the difference in expectations going in was. and i don't think drummond even did everything
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Drummond wouldn't stand behind his athleticism, though. Too afraid of being exposed, I suppose. It's easier to ride the hype train and hope for the best, I guess.
whoa
Posted on 6/12/12 at 8:37 am to irvchilichill1
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Most of the top 15 are physical specimens? No they are not! Davis, Drummond, MKG and the Jones boys are the only physical specimens in the draft. The rest are just basketball bodies...
Leonard is getting way too overrated for me at this point and he is just getting traction because he is 7'1. Like I said he may be solid but before the end of the season he wasn't even a bonafide lottery pick!
We have to take a calculated risk at the 10 spot to get a core player. We need a scorer and defender, preferably rolled into one player. I say if its a guard it has to be Rivers bc of his shooting, penetration, and ball handling abilities.
If its a big man, it has to be Drummond or Moultrie because they have the bodies to contribute sooner than later. Zeller and Leonard will never be All Star material. We've seen that type of player come in recently... Aldrich, Collison, can't remember the guy from Ohio State recently, etc. They don't pan out. Serviceable yes, difference maker and potential starter, no.
They are non lottery players and would be solid additions if picked say after the 15th pick. But for my 10 spot, I need starter material.
Sullinger is hands down better than Zeller and Leonard and most scouts are skeptical of him being starter material because of his physical limitations but some wanna draft Leonard over him if he still on the board? Cmon people, the big man spot is the hardest to draft but I'm not drafting a big man who has reached his ceiling already.
That's why Howard went before Oak bc the Howard potential was too great to not draft #1. Same with Drummond if he slips to us. We got Davis, so were playing with house money at 10. Drummond offers potential greatness if he puts it together. Zeller and Leonard offer backup players who we'll be looking to replace in the starting lineup after 2-3 years if they even show they are capable of starting for stretches at a time.
Put it this way? Kwame Brown went #1 off his skill set at the time and we know Drummond is exceptionally better at the same stage... So Drummond can't get picked 10th if he is still on the board? Zeller and Leonard don't even have the look to be on a big three billboard!
Leonard just got handled in combine workouts the other day and Royce White was the best big man that day! Cmon.
I'm not reading that crap. Format your ramblings. Damn.
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