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GynoSandberg
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Member since Jan 2006
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re: Hornets shopping EG10

I understand that. Im not saying trade him for scraps just because he might get injured again. If the deal doesn't make sense, then obviously I don't want to trade him.

I wasn't advocating a trade to MIL for Ellis/Harris. Just wanted to present the rumor, talk about it, and explore it further. I knew how it would be received


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GynoSandberg
Michigan Fan
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re: Hornets shopping EG10
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The C's are about to add your boy TWill


I read they signed him earlier.

Dude might get a chance to ball out. Perfect spot for him.


tigerfan88
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Member since Jan 2008
4249 posts

re: Hornets shopping EG10
Jesus that would be a terrible trade. We hold all the power in a potential Gordon trade for the next year and a half. It would be dumb to trade him now for anything that isn't clearly slanted in our favor


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corndeaux
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Member since Sep 2009
6499 posts

re: Hornets shopping EG10
Right on cue, Mahoney with a piece on Ellis. It isn't flattering

LINK

He breaks down the flaws and the pluses to Ellis's game in three sections-

-He needs to be hidden defensively
-He should not be a team’s primary ball handler
-He’s too talented a slasher — and too limited an outside shooter — to work exclusively off the ball

Here is his parting shot

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teams can’t just pick up Ellis on a whim in the same way that they might conceivably acquire, say, J.J. Redick. This is a player with the potential for a decent offensive payoff, but with a game that has to be carefully managed. Even squeezing Ellis into the right role will require a certain amount of creativity and finesse, thereby introducing more uncertainty than most deadline suitors are typically comfortable accepting.


Jester
LSU Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
17459 posts

re: Hornets shopping EG10
Pretty much supports my thoughts. I don't see how he would fit here.


The Future
Iowa State Fan
Smallville, KS
Member since Oct 2009
22661 posts

re: Hornets shopping EG10
Ellis is similar to MT5, just wouldn't work in Monty's system


JohnnyKilroy
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Member since Oct 2012
9686 posts

re: Hornets shopping EG10
I love watching Monta Ellis and I think he's a great player, but frick no do I want him on the Pelicans. Would not fit. At. All.


VOR
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Lap of Luxury
Member since Apr 2009
45717 posts

re: Hornets shopping EG10
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I love watching Monta Ellis and I think he's a great player, but frick no do I want him on the Pelicans. Would not fit. At. All.



Plus the motherfricker is open carry.


JohnnyKilroy
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Member since Oct 2012
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re: Hornets shopping EG10
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Plus the motherfricker is open carry.



You know Monta gotta stay strapped


VOR
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Lap of Luxury
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re: Hornets shopping EG10
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You know Monta gotta stay strapped


Werd.


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ZTiger87
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Member since Nov 2009
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re: Hornets shopping EG10
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He averages 4.6 apg over his career


So does Kobe. Is Kobe not a selfish player?


GynoSandberg
Michigan Fan
Member since Jan 2006
41114 posts

re: Hornets shopping EG10
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So does Kobe. Is Kobe not a selfish player?


Being "selfish" obviously carries a negative connotation.

If a guy can shoot the ball 19 times a game and shoot over 45%, win 5 titles, and assist the ball almost 5 times a game, then no, he isn't selfish.

Ellis has only led his team in shot attempts 2 times in 7 seasons. He shoots 46% for his career. He averages 4.6 assists per game. As a PG/SG.


Call it what you will.


drake20
New Orleans Saints Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
11075 posts

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If a guy can shoot the ball 19 times a game and shoot over 45%, win 5 titles, and assist the ball almost 5 times a game, then no, he isn't selfish.


maybe selfish, but also effective.

...doesn't matter how buckets get made, just that they do get made


GynoSandberg
Michigan Fan
Member since Jan 2006
41114 posts

re: Hornets shopping EG10
If he was shooting like 40% and not passing the ball, then he could be called selfish.

I mean, Jordan shot 23 times a game (50%) and averaged 5 apg. Selfish amirite?


corndeaux
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Member since Sep 2009
6499 posts

re: Hornets shopping EG10
Volume shooters are absolutely necessary on any team. You don't want a team of chuckers, because then you are the Kings.

But you need a couple of guys who can make something out of nothing- even if they aren't always the most efficient.


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42
New Orleans Saints Fan
Member since Apr 2012
3703 posts

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maybe selfish, but also effective.

...doesn't matter how buckets get made, just that they do get made



I personally rate assists lower than many do.

Your point has merit, but one must have the ability to score in a many ways so that opponents can't be maximally effective all the time. Assists don't have to be a part of it, and being selfish is ok if the talent lies in both the selfish player and someone else so that there is an effective outlet. Not meh effective. E-friggen-fective.

So I need a little more than you outline to buy in whole hog.

Also: No Monta


tigerfan88
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Member since Jan 2008
4249 posts

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What about Gordon for Afflalo and Reddick? Anyway Orlando is dumb enough to make that trade?


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tadelatt
LSU Fan
Buga Nation
Member since Jan 2010
9631 posts

re: Hornets shopping EG10
This guy reminds me of Jamal Mashburn. He is def a good player, he just doesn't do anything else besides shooting.

He is a career 44% shooter averaging 18 per game, 3.3 Assists per game, and 2.6 rebounds per game.

He needs to do something else besides scoring to make me want to keep him around. At least Ryan Anderson rebounds


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GynoSandberg
Michigan Fan
Member since Jan 2006
41114 posts

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42


Glad you guys nabbed Abu Nazir. Big fan of the show!
This post was edited on 2/18 at 11:48 pm


drake20
New Orleans Saints Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
11075 posts

re: Hornets shopping EG10
I was actually agreeing.

...I think taking that many more shots than everyone else on your team is technically selfish, but if you're shooting a good percentage, it doesn't matter.

I hate chuckers...everyone CAN shoot it, but not everyone can make it.


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