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Has Jrue regressed?
Posted on 11/11/19 at 9:45 pm
Posted on 11/11/19 at 9:45 pm
Hey guys, not here to troll or bash anyone's favorite player. Removing all emotion from the situation, I think it's time for us to just consider that Jrue has regressed as a player. He's never been the most athletic, had the highest IQ, or best jumper. THis stretch so far this season isn't quite like the past seasons, seeing as he's not being asked to be the primary ball handler or even defend the other teams best player consistently. He's being asked to be our first option/best player and in his defense he just may not be capable. We're 10 games in and he's showing no signs of improving. Even if he does improve when Zion comes back, doesn't that just make him a high priced role player? What do you guys think?
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Posted on 11/11/19 at 9:47 pm to Pelliveli
Yes, 100%
Posted on 11/11/19 at 10:20 pm to Pelliveli
Yes
Posted on 11/11/19 at 10:24 pm to Pelliveli
aren't you though? i mean obviously it's all on jrue we lost this game I mean if it wasn't for him wed be 7 it or mors games over 500
Posted on 11/11/19 at 10:44 pm to Pelliveli
He made harden his bitch most of the night defensively.
He just needs to find his groove on offense
He just needs to find his groove on offense
Posted on 11/11/19 at 10:49 pm to bluebarracuda
Jrue mindset, I think it's all about defense with him. Give him the best player and he will study that guys tendencies, basically shut him down. I just don't think he cares that much about the offensive side.
Jrue could careless if he put up 35 points. If he held the other player to below his average then he is happy. He is a really good third option. Not a first.
Jrue could careless if he put up 35 points. If he held the other player to below his average then he is happy. He is a really good third option. Not a first.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 10:49 pm to bluebarracuda
don't you know that doesn't count well I mean according to these guys
Posted on 11/11/19 at 10:59 pm to bluebarracuda
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He just needs to find his groove on offense
So does the rest of the offense really outside of Ingram
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Posted on 11/11/19 at 11:30 pm to Macintosh504
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So does the rest of the offense really outside of Ingram
I would like to see some % stats across the league on open 3 pointers missed.
I bet we'd be at the bottom by a wide margin
Posted on 11/11/19 at 11:43 pm to Pelliveli
Comparing these 9 games to his past seasons, yes he has regressed. I still choose to have hope that he is in a slump. He’s getting open shots and just missing them, that could change quickly. He’s still performing well as a passer and defender, i still don’t think he is net hurting our team more than a shitty backup would
Posted on 11/12/19 at 7:14 am to LilWezyAna
He will be fine. I honestly think last night was a step in the right direction. Yeah the turnovers sucked but he will clean that up. I liked that he was finally driving to the basket and hit a few close range shots. He just needs to lay off the step back 3's and the 3's off the dribble. That isn't his game and never has been.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 7:27 am to J_Hingle
Another thing I wish he would just drive and finish instead of kicking it out for a three. So many times they have open layups and pass it out.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 7:44 am to Split2874
For a vet, he sucks with the ball. I have 10 year old girls I coach that could get steals on his drive/kick out passes.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 8:38 am to Pelliveli
quote:Possibly but the Jrue we've seen play 8 games or so is zero chance the Jrue we'll see the rest of the season.
Has Jrue regressed?
He may have regressed but he will play better, there's virtually no chance he doesn't get better, barring injury.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 9:24 am to Pelliveli
First thing that caught my eye in the OP: a remark about Jrue’s basketball IQ. Damn, Holiday is and has been one of the sharpest players in the Association.
He may be starting this season in sort of a slump. Or just a slow start, whatever.
but his D is solid. And his timely scoring will show up. Jrue has caught on this board from
Day One. It seems people were obsessed with his salary from the get-go, and if he’s not spectacular in every game, he’s the focus of everyone’s frustration.
He may be starting this season in sort of a slump. Or just a slow start, whatever.
but his D is solid. And his timely scoring will show up. Jrue has caught on this board from
Day One. It seems people were obsessed with his salary from the get-go, and if he’s not spectacular in every game, he’s the focus of everyone’s frustration.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 9:56 am to VOR
Jrue has not regressed.
He’s just playing like shite and possibly his heart isn’t in this franchise 100% any longer.
He’s just playing like shite and possibly his heart isn’t in this franchise 100% any longer.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 9:57 am to Chad504boy
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possibly his heart isn’t in this franchise 100% any longer.
It seems like an absurd thing to say but I honestly am wondering this now.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:02 am to Pelliveli
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He's never been the most athletic, had the highest IQ, or best jumper.
That's just b.s. Jrue is a very smart guy and most everybody would agree with that. Just because he's had some significant offensive struggles doesnt mean his basketball IQ has dropped.
I would honestly disagree with the other two things there as well. He's always been in good shape and that has nothing to do with his struggles anyway. Is he getting down the court at a slower pace or you have seen his bounce decrease? No.
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or even defend the other teams best player consistently
Again, b.s. He was switching from Harden to Westbrook last night. That's a tuff assignment. The night before he was being asked to guard Pascal Siakam. So not only was he defending their best option, he was defending a guy that was a complete mismatch but he was the best option we had, and did a better job than anybody else.
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We're 10 games in and he's showing no signs of improving
Agreed. But I still think its too early to say he's regressed. Most around here seem to feel differently, but there is obviously enough time left to see who's right or wrong.
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Even if he does improve when Zion comes back, doesn't that just make him a high priced role player?
Jrue has more than lived up to his contract. Any team in the league would have gladly taken Jrue at the price he was at if they had room. I dont think its fair to knock the contract when there has only been 10 games that says he is now overpriced. You can look back on his contract and easily say that that was a fair price and if you cant, then you're hating just to hate.
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What do you guys think?
Your post was open minded/half subtle bash, but what I think is that Jrue has been bad offensively and because of that, people are just looking for other things to hate on him for. "Jrue has been bad offensively so yea he has bad BB IQ too!" When that has never been in question his entire career.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:11 am to iwyLSUiwy
Holiday deserves a lot of criticism for his play but some of the complaints are a bit much.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:53 am to iwyLSUiwy
I would argue with his jump passes, poor off ball rotations and turnovers he's always been a pretty low IQ player. It's been 11 years now? And he still avoids contact at the rim, as in shape as he is it just doesn't make any sense to me.
He still can't shoot. And his midrange game has taken a hit.
What I mean by him not consistently having to guard the opposing team's best player is now we can actually switch fair on ball defenders to that player. Hart, Bi, Jackson isn't bad on ball neither. All that being we said our backcourt (Jrue, Lonzo) still give up a ton of dribble penetration.
As far as his contract I would say he lived up to it last year, and during our lone playoff series. But if can't give you at least 20, 5, 7 a night. Do you really want to pay him near max for what he provides? It's not like he really has any winning intangibles we've seen all these years. I think it's a fair question
He still can't shoot. And his midrange game has taken a hit.
What I mean by him not consistently having to guard the opposing team's best player is now we can actually switch fair on ball defenders to that player. Hart, Bi, Jackson isn't bad on ball neither. All that being we said our backcourt (Jrue, Lonzo) still give up a ton of dribble penetration.
As far as his contract I would say he lived up to it last year, and during our lone playoff series. But if can't give you at least 20, 5, 7 a night. Do you really want to pay him near max for what he provides? It's not like he really has any winning intangibles we've seen all these years. I think it's a fair question
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