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re: George Karl
Posted on 11/6/13 at 10:48 am to GynoSandberg
Posted on 11/6/13 at 10:48 am to GynoSandberg
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No mention of going to the WCF in his first year in Seattle with that young, Sonic team? Or losing to the Bulls in the finals? Or losing to Hakeem and Shaq/Kobe led teams in the semis?
Those Sonic teams are very similar to the Pels. Young, athletic PF. Great defensive PG who can score the ball. Smooth shooting big men. They were a top 5 offensive and defensive team for most of Karl's tenure. Their core was young and got out and pushed the ball.
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Posted on 11/6/13 at 10:49 am to JimmyLoincloth
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Great defensive PG who can score the ball.
I like Jrue Holiday, but comparing him to Gary Payton is pretty ridiculous.
Posted on 11/6/13 at 10:51 am to HeadyBrosevelt
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I like Jrue Holiday, but comparing him to Gary Payton is pretty ridiculous.
He was talking about the style of play, not saying Holiday > The Glove. I think Gyno made a good case for the glove fitting. This team does have a lot of similarities to those upstart Sonics teams.
Posted on 11/6/13 at 10:57 am to TigerinATL
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I think Gyno made a good case for the glove fitting.
ISWYDT
Posted on 11/6/13 at 11:17 am to TigerinATL
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I think Gyno made a good case for the glove fitting.
nice
Posted on 11/6/13 at 11:26 am to Unknown_Poster
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Karl sucks in the postseason. 7 out of 8 first round exits with the Nuggets.
I'd be happy with making the postseason 8 times at this point.
Posted on 11/6/13 at 11:52 am to GynoSandberg
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No mention of going to the WCF in his first year in Seattle with that young, Sonic team? Or losing to the Bulls in the finals? Or losing to Hakeem and Shaq/Kobe led teams in the semis?
He got to the Finals once and the WCF another time. Credit where credit is due but 7 of 8 first round exits is the more notable stat. I just think a lot of people are jumping on the Karl bandwagon because they see a big name. Reality is this guy hasn't delivered in a while.
And, to the other guy, no I wouldn't just be happy making the playoffs. If they're going after a coach I'd rather take a chance on a somewhat unknown than hire a guy who seems to have his best days behind him.
Posted on 11/6/13 at 12:06 pm to Unknown_Poster
I mean, you have to at least get to the playoffs if you want to challenge for a title. It would be a good start. Karl's team has made the playoffs 23 of 25 seasons he has been a coach.
It's more about his style of coaching and how he would fit with this team.
It's more about his style of coaching and how he would fit with this team.
Posted on 11/6/13 at 12:08 pm to GynoSandberg
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Karl's team has made the playoffs 23 of 25 seasons he has been a coach.
Nice.
Posted on 11/6/13 at 12:13 pm to GynoSandberg
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I mean, you have to at least get to the playoffs if you want to challenge for a title
But in the NBA half the teams in the league make the postseason.
Posted on 11/6/13 at 12:15 pm to Unknown_Poster
I'm not so sure Karl is they guy, but
is kinda what they did with Monty.
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If they're going after a coach I'd rather take a chance on a somewhat unknown
is kinda what they did with Monty.
Posted on 11/6/13 at 12:20 pm to Chair
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If they're going after a coach I'd rather take a chance on a somewhat unknown
is kinda what they did with Monty.
Not to mention there aren't too many budding assistant candidates out there. Malone is off the market, one of the Spurs assistants just got a job. Carlilse is regarded as a pretty good coach in Dallas but his top assistant went to Toronto last year. The talent pool for NBA Head Coaches just isn't that deep.
Posted on 11/6/13 at 12:40 pm to Unknown_Poster
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But in the NBA half the teams in the league make the postseason.
And Monty is on his way to batting .250 in making the playoffs
The majority of Karl's tenure in DEN had Carmelo Anthony shooting the ball 22 times a game. They were ousted by strong Laker, Spur, and Thunder teams. The only bad losses were to Utah that year and to a white hot GS this past season.
You can't just say, "Oh, this guy loses in the first round every year so I don't want him." For one, you have to look at each series individually. Secondly, just because you lose in the first round a few times does not mean that you will lose in the first round in the future. Let's not be too dense here.
Posted on 11/6/13 at 12:43 pm to Unknown_Poster
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But in the NBA half the teams in the league make the postseason.
We're in the other half.
I think we desperately need a proven winner at this point.
This post was edited on 11/6/13 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 11/6/13 at 12:43 pm to GynoSandberg
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I mean, you have to at least get to the playoffs if you want to challenge for a title
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Karl's team has made the playoffs 23 of 25 seasons he has been a coach.
Is there anywhere to find out where that ranks? You're talking about 92% playoffs. That's stellar.
Posted on 11/6/13 at 12:45 pm to Fun Bunch
I don't think anyone can deny that George Karl is a great basketball mind.
He will instantly have chache with players, and we know our offense will stop looking like shite immediately. We have a team basically MADE for Karl.
If we could add another SF/Wing that can knock down 3s...
He will instantly have chache with players, and we know our offense will stop looking like shite immediately. We have a team basically MADE for Karl.
If we could add another SF/Wing that can knock down 3s...
Posted on 11/6/13 at 12:50 pm to JimmyLoincloth
Zen Master never missed the playoffs.
Taking out Sloan's last year where he quit, he coached 25 seasons and made the playoffs 20 times.
Pat Riley coached 24 seasons and made the playoffs 21 times
Those are the only modern coaches with similar track records of reaching the playoffs.
Taking out Sloan's last year where he quit, he coached 25 seasons and made the playoffs 20 times.
Pat Riley coached 24 seasons and made the playoffs 21 times
Those are the only modern coaches with similar track records of reaching the playoffs.
Posted on 11/6/13 at 12:51 pm to Fun Bunch
Im really curious how long Benson will give Monty...
Will he give him the full season with this roster? Id be okay with that if we weren't seeing the same issues we've seen for his entire time here.
Ive been a defender of him in the past, but the consistent 3rd quarter shite fest, the stagnant offense, his only solution to getting the ball in your prized big man's hands is a P&R 20' from the basket... its all just too fricking frustrating, and I dont wanna see this franchise waste another top talent
Will he give him the full season with this roster? Id be okay with that if we weren't seeing the same issues we've seen for his entire time here.
Ive been a defender of him in the past, but the consistent 3rd quarter shite fest, the stagnant offense, his only solution to getting the ball in your prized big man's hands is a P&R 20' from the basket... its all just too fricking frustrating, and I dont wanna see this franchise waste another top talent
Posted on 11/6/13 at 12:56 pm to MrPappagiorgio
I'd normally say he has until the All-Star Break, but with us hosting, I think that could change things. Before the season, I was thinking he had the whole year, but the blown leads have been brutal to watch and definitely isn't winning over fans in a year where that should be a priority.
Posted on 11/6/13 at 12:56 pm to JimmyLoincloth
Phil Jackson never missed the playoffs.
Poppovich is 16 for 17 in making the playoffs.
Riley is 21 for 24.
A guy like Rick Adelman is 18 for 22.
Jerry Sloan was 20 for 26.
Larry Brown was 18 for 27.
Karl has coached the 6th most playoff games all time and wins 43% of the time.
Jackson, Riley, and Popp have coached the most playoff games all time and have winning percentages over 60% (with Phil almost at 70%)
Poppovich is 16 for 17 in making the playoffs.
Riley is 21 for 24.
A guy like Rick Adelman is 18 for 22.
Jerry Sloan was 20 for 26.
Larry Brown was 18 for 27.
Karl has coached the 6th most playoff games all time and wins 43% of the time.
Jackson, Riley, and Popp have coached the most playoff games all time and have winning percentages over 60% (with Phil almost at 70%)
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