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Finch wants Pelicans to cut out the long 2s
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Kumar? @FearTheBrown Sep 26

AD mentioned today that Finch wants the Pels to cut out the long twos. Pels had the 13th highest frequency of midrange shots. 17th long mid.

Kumar? @FearTheBrown Sep 26
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For reference the Nuggets were 26th in frequency of midrange attempts. They shot a MUCH fewer amount than the Pels



These tweets are from the first day of camp. I saw Kumar mention it and thought it was interesting. About time, honestly, that they got a bit more modern.


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re: Finch wants Pelicans to cut out the long 2s
Rondo said in a post practice interview today that Jrue is one of the best cutters he's ever played with and expects him to get a lot of layups this year because of it. We've seen that Holiday has the tools to be a top guard, if they could somehow put him in a role that forces him to be Good Jrue...


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re: Finch wants Pelicans to cut out the long 2s
That's the most interesting aspect of the offseason to me.

They seemed to focus on guys that are excellent cutters like Jrue, Allen, Clark, or guys that could get the ball to cutters like Rondo and Cousins.


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re: Finch wants Pelicans to cut out the long 2s
Rondo's got what Forwards crave


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re: Finch wants Pelicans to cut out the long 2s
I've never understood the hate for the mid range jumper. You shoot it when you are open and have confidence you can hit the shot. The greatest players in league history were great mid range shooters. Legends like Jordan, Bryant, Duncan, even guys today like James and Durant kill teams with long 2s. It has to be a big part of any successful offense..


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re: Finch wants Pelicans to cut out the long 2s
i love the midrange shot. idk about being top ten in the league in take that shot, but i don't agree with cutting it out of the offense


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I've never understood the hate for the mid range jumper.


Efficiency.

All modern statistics say that shooting 3s/short 2s only is by far the most efficient offense, and when implemented this has been proven to be absolutely true.


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re: Finch wants Pelicans to cut out the long 2s
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It has to be a big part of any successful offense..

Actually, it doesn't.

The Rockets had a top 10 offense of all time this past season and rarely took mid-range shots.

It's statistically and objectively not an efficient shot to take.


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re: Finch wants Pelicans to cut out the long 2s
when he says he's taking out long 2s I think he means he wants to take out shots that have a higher risk with little reward.

so instead of having a heel on the 3 point line, take a step back and shoot or pass the ball/drive to try to get a higher percentage shot. they aren't taking jump shots out of their offense
This post was edited on 9/28 at 4:16 pm


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re: Finch wants Pelicans to cut out the long 2s
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I've never understood the hate for the mid range jumper


It's simple math.

3 x .333 = 1 point per shot
2 x .500 = 1 point per shot

An elite mid range shooter scores as effectively as a bad 3 point shooter. Now I do kind of agree with the philosophy of "a shot you're going to make is a good shot." but you just can't escape the way the Rockets and Warriors are changing the league.

One of the games against the Rockets last year the Pels were actually scoring pretty efficiently but so were the Rockets and when you trade 2s for 3s you lose. If AD/DC weren't elite at getting to the line I'd be concerned that even a very efficient cutting offense couldn't keep up with a good 3 point attack.


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re: Finch wants Pelicans to cut out the long 2s
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so instead of having a heel on the 3 point line, take a step back of try to get a higher percentage shot. they aren't taking jump shots out of their offense


This is correct. He wasn't necessarily talking about midrange shots.

He was talking about long 2s, which are pretty much the worst shot in all of basketball.


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electrolytes?


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re: Finch wants Pelicans to cut out the long 2s
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An elite mid range shooter scores as effectively as a bad 3 point shooter. Now I do kind of agree with the philosophy of "a shot you're going to make is a good shot." but you just can't escape the way the Rockets and Warriors are changing the league.


there is a balance in this philosophy. the Warrior and Rockets are the exception. its not what everyone needs to chase. I think what the 3 pointer does more than anything is shift momentum and build confidence. the Rockets could be playing an awful game through 2 and a half quarters, then suddenly hit 6 out of 8 threes at the end of the 3rd and even they are down, it creates more confidence in their offense. then they roll in the 4th. its like a snowball effect and they are just waiting until it starts going down a hill.

but I digress, for the rest of the league you play by different rules. for the Finch philosophy, for us, if a guy like Moore, Jrue, AD, Crawford, Clark, or Cousins is in rhythm, tell them to take whatever shot they want. you dont want them to think too much.

but guys that aren't as consistent or those players above that arent feeling it that particular night, look for high percentage shots thats how you beat the Warriors and Rockets. It's the Spurs philosophy. A lay-up is the same amount of points as a fade away from 22 ft out. One of them just has a much higher chance of going in. This idea of getting rid of long 2s is simply the desire to get better shots for everyone. It's just good basketball
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re: Finch wants Pelicans to cut out the long 2s
This tells me that Gentry is just a figurehead.

Finch makes the plans.


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re: Finch wants Pelicans to cut out the long 2s
Threes and layups/dunks make for the best formula

Now if someone like Davis who is an outstanding midrange shooter and get a pick and pop from mid 15 out, I'm fine with that. He can hit that 50%+


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re: Finch wants Pelicans to cut out the long 2s
I read a hot take recently that Darren Irman is the Pelicans "next Head Coach even if they don't know it yet"

It does make me wonder what exactly Gentry's role is because he basically has an offensive and defensive coordinator now.


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re: Finch wants Pelicans to cut out the long 2s
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All modern statistics say that shooting 3s/short 2s only is by far the most efficient offense, and when implemented this has been proven to be absolutely true.


I don't think it works if you have Rondo and Tony Allen on your team.
Yes it's the most efficient offense, but if you don't have the players to be good at it, then it's worthless.


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re: Finch wants Pelicans to cut out the long 2s
gentry is well liked and well respected
that's important

he's an older guy so it's fashionable to say the game has passed him by but they've smartly hired a good staff and he should be able to lean on them for lineup decisions and matchup strategy. player development should be less of an issue as he has a team of vets

ive never gotten the impression that's he's hardheaded


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re: Finch wants Pelicans to cut out the long 2s
By ingraining distaste for long 2's coach is dealing with guys who cant shoot. Everyone is given long two's. Half the players cannot make ft's at 80%.

The guidance should be in the face of bad ft shooters, thus, if and when you get your ft % to 80%, we will green light you to shoot long 2's. Until that day, if there are more than 5 seconds on clock and you jack up a long 2 miss, i will fine you $10. It will go to a charity.
This post was edited on 9/29 at 8:01 am


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re: Finch wants Pelicans to cut out the long 2s
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Rondo said in a post practice interview today that Jrue is one of the best cutters he's ever played with and expects him to get a lot of layups this year because of it. We've seen that Holiday has the tools to be a top guard, if they could somehow put him in a role that forces him to be Good Jrue...

ive been saying jrues an excellent cutter ever since he returned in the 14/15 season and was playing off ball in the playoffs. I hate when people say Jrue has a low basketball IQ just because his decision making with the ball can be a little sloppy. It's like saying Drew Brees has a low football IQ just because he forces bad passes at times


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