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ESPN Trade grade... D?
Posted on 6/27/13 at 10:20 pm
Posted on 6/27/13 at 10:20 pm
Insiders Trade Grade
New Orleans: D
When Noel dropped to the sixth pick, the Pelicans found themselves with an opportunity. Since Noel made less sense in New Orleans alongside Anthony Davis than almost anywhere else, a trade was nearly inevitable. Pelicans GM Dell Demps decided to use Noel as a lure to fill point guard position for years to come with Jrue Holiday, an All-Star for the first time last season at the age of 22.
Holiday is an upgrade on Greivis Vasquez, who could be either a trade asset or a quality reserve in the last year of his contract. And he's still got room to grow with years until he reaches his prime. However, the cost was immense. In addition to the rights to Noel, New Orleans had to send its first-round pick in 2014 to Philadelphia. The Pelicans aren't out of the Andrew Wiggins sweepstakes, since the pick is top-5 protected, per ESPN.com's Marc Stein. But New Orleans is still looking at potentially giving up two top-10 picks.
Talent-wise, those players might -- might -- be a wash with Holiday. The secondary issue is financial. Both Noel and next year's first-round pick would be on cost-controlled rookie contracts for their first four seasons. Holiday's rookie contract is already up, and he'll begin a four-year, $41 million extension next fall. So Holiday has to be better than not only Noel and next year's pick, but also whoever the Pelicans could have signed with the $5 million a year difference in their combined salaries. That's unlikely to be the case.
Philadelphia: A+
Since the 76ers hired Sam Hinkie in mid-May, we've been waiting for some indication of his vision for the franchise. Well, we unmistakably got it Thursday. Hinkie is ripping apart a team that was stuck in the middle of the Eastern Conference and heading -- at least temporarily -- for the bottom. That's the message in trading away Holiday, Philadelphia's best player, for a pair of first-round picks.
With the loaded 2014 draft class 12 months away, this is the time to rebuild. Noel is the ideal centerpiece in that regard. In time, Noel -- rated far and away the best player in this year's draft by my WARP projections -- could be a star and every bit as good as Holiday. In 2013-14, coming back from ACL surgery, Noel is unlikely to contribute. A 76ers team with no Holiday, and presumably no Andrew Bynum, could be among the contenders for the No. 1 overall pick. Depending where New Orleans' pick lands, Philadelphia could easily have a pair of top-10 picks in what is considered the deepest draft in years.
With those picks joining Noel and the 76ers' own first-round pick, Syracuse point guard Michael Carter-Williams (No. 11 overall), Hinkie could have his new core in place by this time next June. Philadelphia will have flexibility to build around those young players, since the Sixers have just two non-rookie contracts (forward Thaddeus Young and guard Jason Richardson) that extend past next season.
While Philadelphia won't be a major player in free agency in the coming years, Hinkie can use that cap space to add additional assets using the model popularized by the Oklahoma City Thunder. The Thunder model requires adding elite talent in the draft. In Noel, and possibly next year's picks, the 76ers are off to a good start.
Holiday for Noel would have been a decent move for Philadelphia. Add in the 2014 first-round pick and this deal is an enormous win for the 76ers.
I completely disagree!
New Orleans: D
When Noel dropped to the sixth pick, the Pelicans found themselves with an opportunity. Since Noel made less sense in New Orleans alongside Anthony Davis than almost anywhere else, a trade was nearly inevitable. Pelicans GM Dell Demps decided to use Noel as a lure to fill point guard position for years to come with Jrue Holiday, an All-Star for the first time last season at the age of 22.
Holiday is an upgrade on Greivis Vasquez, who could be either a trade asset or a quality reserve in the last year of his contract. And he's still got room to grow with years until he reaches his prime. However, the cost was immense. In addition to the rights to Noel, New Orleans had to send its first-round pick in 2014 to Philadelphia. The Pelicans aren't out of the Andrew Wiggins sweepstakes, since the pick is top-5 protected, per ESPN.com's Marc Stein. But New Orleans is still looking at potentially giving up two top-10 picks.
Talent-wise, those players might -- might -- be a wash with Holiday. The secondary issue is financial. Both Noel and next year's first-round pick would be on cost-controlled rookie contracts for their first four seasons. Holiday's rookie contract is already up, and he'll begin a four-year, $41 million extension next fall. So Holiday has to be better than not only Noel and next year's pick, but also whoever the Pelicans could have signed with the $5 million a year difference in their combined salaries. That's unlikely to be the case.
Philadelphia: A+
Since the 76ers hired Sam Hinkie in mid-May, we've been waiting for some indication of his vision for the franchise. Well, we unmistakably got it Thursday. Hinkie is ripping apart a team that was stuck in the middle of the Eastern Conference and heading -- at least temporarily -- for the bottom. That's the message in trading away Holiday, Philadelphia's best player, for a pair of first-round picks.
With the loaded 2014 draft class 12 months away, this is the time to rebuild. Noel is the ideal centerpiece in that regard. In time, Noel -- rated far and away the best player in this year's draft by my WARP projections -- could be a star and every bit as good as Holiday. In 2013-14, coming back from ACL surgery, Noel is unlikely to contribute. A 76ers team with no Holiday, and presumably no Andrew Bynum, could be among the contenders for the No. 1 overall pick. Depending where New Orleans' pick lands, Philadelphia could easily have a pair of top-10 picks in what is considered the deepest draft in years.
With those picks joining Noel and the 76ers' own first-round pick, Syracuse point guard Michael Carter-Williams (No. 11 overall), Hinkie could have his new core in place by this time next June. Philadelphia will have flexibility to build around those young players, since the Sixers have just two non-rookie contracts (forward Thaddeus Young and guard Jason Richardson) that extend past next season.
While Philadelphia won't be a major player in free agency in the coming years, Hinkie can use that cap space to add additional assets using the model popularized by the Oklahoma City Thunder. The Thunder model requires adding elite talent in the draft. In Noel, and possibly next year's picks, the 76ers are off to a good start.
Holiday for Noel would have been a decent move for Philadelphia. Add in the 2014 first-round pick and this deal is an enormous win for the 76ers.
I completely disagree!
This post was edited on 6/27/13 at 10:22 pm
Posted on 6/27/13 at 10:21 pm to macatak911
Posted on 6/27/13 at 10:21 pm to BayouBengal0505
You may want to provide a link before you get berated.
I'd put your disagree statement at the beginning
I'd put your disagree statement at the beginning
Posted on 6/27/13 at 10:22 pm to BayouBengal0505
Won't please everyone. Almost all of our fans love the move and plenty of experts do too. Sorry that I don't want to hope that small Nerlens Noel bulks up a ton and pans out and that our pick next year also pans out. I'll take the proven commodity all day.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 10:23 pm to BayouBengal0505
who the frick is Kevin Pelton?
Posted on 6/27/13 at 10:23 pm to tehchampion140
That is what I am saying... I do not understand how a proven all star vs a project and we get the bad end of the deal?
Joke?
Joke?
Posted on 6/27/13 at 10:23 pm to BayouBengal0505
frick them and their stinking arse.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 10:24 pm to BayouBengal0505
quote:
The secondary issue is financial. Both Noel and next year's first-round pick would be on cost-controlled rookie contracts for their first four seasons. Holiday's rookie contract is already up, and he'll begin a four-year, $41 million extension next fall. So Holiday has to be better than not only Noel and next year's pick, but also whoever the Pelicans could have signed with the $5 million a year difference in their combined salaries. That's unlikely to be the case.
Reference Bill Simmons' 4 quarters not equaling a dollar theory to refute this thought.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 10:24 pm to BayouBengal0505
Why does everyone think we would have sucked so bad next year? We would have had a health EG and Davis to go along with Ryno and whatever SF we picked up in free agency. We would've picked 9th at the highest unless we tanked which we still could and keep our top 5 pick.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 10:30 pm to BayouBengal0505
Proven All Star > Potential Star.
Potential gets coaches and GM's fired
Potential gets coaches and GM's fired
Posted on 6/27/13 at 10:31 pm to saintsfan22
quote:
Reference Bill Simmons' 4 quarters not equaling a dollar theory to refute this thought.
I'll put it this way: if Holiday were a FA, would he:
a) come to New Orleans
b) cost less than $44m over the next 4 years
I'd say a big "no" to both. With so many teams having tons of cap space, I guarantee that if Holiday were a FA, he'd get a mini-max deal from a team like Dallas or Atlanta, which he would ultimately have chosen over us (not sure if he would be eligible for the Rose type max, having made an All-Star game, I think that's All-NBA teams).
Posted on 6/27/13 at 10:34 pm to THRILLHO
This is New Orleans version of FA right now. Once we build a winner, we'll have more clout to attract them via regular FA. Until then, we have to rely on trades to build a winner. Props to Dell.
Better rise up Monty. I told y'all, no more excuses.
Better rise up Monty. I told y'all, no more excuses.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 10:34 pm to MrWiseGuy
quote:ESPNs "stat guy" replacement for Hollinger
who the frick is Kevin Pelton?
Whiffed on Lillard last year
Posted on 6/27/13 at 10:36 pm to BayouBengal0505
quote:
So Holiday has to be better than not only Noel and next year's pick, but also whoever the Pelicans could have signed with the $5 million a year difference in their combined salaries.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 10:37 pm to 504Voodoo
quote:
Potential gets coaches and GM's fired
Yeah, which is why we should have traded last year's no. 1 pick for Al Jefferson.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 10:49 pm to BayouBengal0505
Yep this is a pretty flawed line of logic
Posted on 6/27/13 at 10:51 pm to OBUDan
quote:davis is a superstar and everyone knew it. This draft no one is guaranteed that.
Yeah, which is why we should have traded last year's no. 1 pick for Al Jefferson.
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