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Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:20 pm to
Posted by Boomshockalocka
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Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:20 pm to
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So you use regular season numbers to prove that he's a good player yet when I refute that you say well he brings it in the playoffs
If you watched the games even a little you'd know that he doesn't get the ball in the post much at all. He doesn't even get 9 FGA per game. He is second in the NBA in points per FG attempt. If he don't get the ball how can he score? Houston is a 3 point shooting kinda team and frankly D12 doesnt get many touches offensively. He is an elite rebounder no matter what way you slice it.

Posted by Colonel Flagg
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Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:20 pm to
I am not a big Dwight fan, but I would trade for him to put him next to AD.

Holiday, AD, and Howard would be a strong core.
This post was edited on 2/11/16 at 4:22 pm
Posted by whatiknowsofar
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Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:29 pm to
He gets 9fg per game because he CANNOT WORK THE POST

He's fricking garbage with his back to the basket. He never developed there and it's always been his Achilles. It's why he's not the focal point of the offense.

And if he was so good and so dominant then shame on him for not being a man and demanding the ball more.
Posted by Colonel Flagg
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Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:35 pm to
I would pay Howard $24 million if he played elite defense and rebounded next to AD.

I would trade the Pels first round pick with a top 3-5 overall protection on it. The untouchables would be Holiday and AD.

He has got to be healthy and there would have to be a long term deal.
Posted by whatiknowsofar
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Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:36 pm to
...and I'm hesitant to give it to an inconsistent 30 year old with a bad back.

We had this discussion with Tyson already.
Posted by Boomshockalocka
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Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:37 pm to
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And if he was so good and so dominant then shame on him for not being a man and demanding the ball more.
Welp when you got a 2x first team all nba guy bringing the ball up court. .. well let's just say that guy is gonna be the one who determines where the ball ends up more times than not.

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He gets 9fg per game because he CANNOT WORK THE POST


Oh really, he was getting 11fg attempts per game and averaging 18.5 a game only a season ago. Seems to me like with FG attempts come points.
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He never developed there and it's always been his Achilles.
he shoots over 75% wthin 3 ft of the rim this season. I hate to say it but it's painfully obvious you don't watch but maybe 1 or 2 Rockets games a year. That's the only way you would be posting this stuff. Every player on Houston has the green light to shoot 3s, so that's what they do. D12 not scoring more points is due to him being a victim of the teams offensive philosophy moreso than it is any indictment on his skills.
Posted by Colonel Flagg
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Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:40 pm to
Well if he was healthy and could buy into an AD and Howard duo then they would be dominant. The Pels would be contenders.
Posted by whatiknowsofar
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Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:43 pm to
I don't give a frick if Michael Jordan is bringing the ball down the court. Even he knew when to get Scotty going.

But be excited that Harden is two time all NBA. That matters a lot more than competing for championships.
Posted by whatiknowsofar
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Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:45 pm to
Oh and the post is a little further away than 3 ft away from the basket baw.
Posted by Colonel Flagg
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Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:45 pm to
Just for reference Deandre Jordan makes $20+ million.
Posted by L ESYou
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Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:46 pm to
We may make a move for him but I would imagine he's going to end up in Boston, Atlanta or Charlotte before NOLA. I don't think it would be the worst idea for us though.

We'd for sure have to give up Anderson--and either Asik or EG. I think we would all prefer to give up Asik. I would be hesitant to accept if we have to give up Ryno and EG unless you're ready to tank. I think we would have even less of an identity if this were the case and Anthony Davis would become what Kevin Love was for the Twolves dropping a ridiculous stat line but it would be at the team's expense.

Dwight is averaging 15 points on .612% from the field, 12 rebounds and 1.5 blocks a game. It's easy to hate him, sure, but calling him a bum is harsh. The game is obviously moving toward going smaller but he can still be valuable.

Anderson is at 17 ppg on .435% and 6 rebounds a game. Ryno is obviously valuable in his ability to spread the floor but his loss would be minimized with how physically dominant Dwight would make our front court. (IMO)...I realize that is definitely debatable.

Asik is pretty much a non factor on offense (4ppg). His sole value is grabbing boards (6 RPG) but even that is replaceable. If they are willing to bite on this combo...pull the trigger.

The Pels are 24th in defense in the league...the Rockets are tied at 28 so I'm not sure how much difference he would make on that side of the ball but it would be fun to see he and AD protect the rim.

At this point though, I think it is obvious he would be an upgrade from Asik, not to mention Asik's contract is almost 60 million through the '19-20 season. I would rather a head case with upside (Hassan Whiteside) than Asik's over payed mediocre game all day. Move him ASAP, D-12 or not.
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:47 pm to
Howard shoots 75%+ from 3 feet in..Less than 30% of his fg attempts are dunks. To me that means on non dunks he still shooting 65%...And you say he is shite in the post? Look he aint refined with a repetoire of moves like Olajuwon but he still gets in done WHEN given the opportunity.
Posted by whatiknowsofar
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Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:48 pm to
The pels have a pretty decent rim protector. He just doesn't get minutes because he's fully retarded on offense.

The game isn't about elite centers anymore. It's all about wings and working inside out now. Spending 20 million on a 5 when we desperately need wing help would kill us
Posted by whatiknowsofar
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Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:54 pm to
If dwight is so elite then why doesn't he get the ball more?

Could it be that he's a big puss that doesn't have killer instinct?
Posted by Colonel Flagg
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Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:55 pm to
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The game isn't about elite centers anymore. It's all about wings and working inside out now. Spending 20 million on a 5 when we desperately need wing help would kill us


I would dare all teams to go small on an AD and Howard front court. I don't see any small ball combos getting the best of AD and Howard offensively. They would also be dominated in the rebounding battle. How would you defend Howard and AD also in this league? the difference between Howard and Asik from a physical standpoint is huge. Howard is fast and agile on both ends of the court. Just imagine if Asik could finish all the easy looks and still be a dominant rebounder. That hypothetical Asik is still inferior to what Howard would be playing next to AD.

If all it took was unloading guys like Anderson, Gordon, Asik, and say a protected pick I would probably have done this trade last week. The one thing being are we getting Howard long term.

I do not see the Pelicans wanting to keep Gordon and Anderson long term at the price of their next potential contracts.
This post was edited on 2/11/16 at 4:59 pm
Posted by L ESYou
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Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 2/11/16 at 5:01 pm to
Totally agree. All I'm saying is that if you're going to be paying Asik over 10 million a year, you may as well upgrade him with D-12 for close to the same price even if that means getting rid of Ryan Anderson. Anderson's career average is 13 and 5. He's having a great season but we could dump Asik's massive contract and trade Anderson for Dwight and if it doesn't work out turn around and trade Dwight for a guy who can post similar--if not better numbers than Anderson.I think it's a win-win.
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 2/11/16 at 5:02 pm to
3 pt shot is more efficient. With Mchale gone and JB Running the team it's all morey ball Out there. Three after three after three.

Yea him not getting ball is bc he doesn't have a killer instinct someone has to give him the ball. In an area where he can do his work. If he ain't getting it. There's not much he can do.
Posted by whatiknowsofar
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Posted on 2/11/16 at 5:06 pm to
Yeah. He doesn't have a killer instinct mentality. But don't ask me. Chuck and Shaq have talked ad nauseum about it before.
Posted by SuperSoakher
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 2/11/16 at 5:27 pm to
Id rather have Johnny Manziel at center than Dwight Howards bitch arse. Watching Bogut own him the other night was pathetic
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 2/11/16 at 5:36 pm to
Howard had 16pts 15rebs. Bogut is an elite Interior defender and 12 still had a hell of a game. What game were you watching?
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