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Drop everything Frank Vogel has been fired and he's what we need
Posted on 5/5/16 at 11:16 am
Posted on 5/5/16 at 11:16 am
A young defensive minded proven coach who has shown to develop players.
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Posted on 5/5/16 at 11:17 am to 504ByrdGang
He'll be the coach in Houston.
But thanks for starting this thread so the Rockettards can troll this board. Appreciate it.
But thanks for starting this thread so the Rockettards can troll this board. Appreciate it.
Posted on 5/5/16 at 11:19 am to 504ByrdGang
Poach their roster.
aka, get Paul George in New Orleans.
aka, get Paul George in New Orleans.
Posted on 5/5/16 at 11:25 am to Fun Bunch
He's everything Monty thought he was
This post was edited on 5/5/16 at 11:26 am
Posted on 5/5/16 at 11:43 am to 504ByrdGang
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what we need
A new GM and POBO.
Posted on 5/5/16 at 11:44 am to Fun Bunch
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He'll be the coach in Houston.
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But thanks for starting this thread so the Rockettards can troll this board. Appreciate it.
:nana:Posted on 5/5/16 at 12:21 pm to PortCityTiger24
The Rockets hiring Kenny Smith baw
Posted on 5/5/16 at 1:40 pm to 504ByrdGang
Yes please but wishful thinking
Posted on 5/5/16 at 2:00 pm to Let Me Take A Selfie
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Poach their roster.
aka, get Paul George in New Orleans.
If they even go that route it will take a ransom we don't have the ability to pay.
Short of lucking into the #1 pick and then bundling that with another first I don't think they part with him. The Lakers are already eying that prize and the feelings seems to be it won't work.
Posted on 5/5/16 at 3:00 pm to 504ByrdGang
Yeah, you aint lyin
Posted on 5/5/16 at 3:14 pm to 504ByrdGang
The only way we would have a chance is if we moved now and gave him a lot of power, like Thibs got. Not happening.
He will be in Houston.
He will be in Houston.
Posted on 5/5/16 at 10:47 pm to Fun Bunch
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The only way we would have a chance is if we moved now and gave him a lot of power, like Thibs got. Not happening.
He will be in Houston.
Pretty much. I expect it will be a done deal by the end of the week.
We are stuck with Gentry. Maybe Demps. Possibly Dumars.
Loomis had the perfect moment to make a clean break last season and do it right but he chose to double down on Demps. Minnesota's situation should of been us but we didn't have the courage.
Posted on 5/6/16 at 6:12 am to NOLA Bronco
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Loomis had the perfect moment to make a clean break last season and do it right but he chose to double down on Demps. Minnesota's situation should of been us but we didn't have the courage.
You keep saying this and it's just not true. Thibs was fired 3 days before they hired Gentry. The Bulls weren't letting him interview other teams while pretending they weren't going to fire him. And Reinsdorf is a prick- Pels reach out and he would bust their balls about it.
Could they have waited? Perhaps. Doesn't mean he actually comes to NO. That also assumes:
Thibs was ready to take on a job right away after a tumultous tenure in Chicago.
That he would come to NO. A place that had just fired, despite meeting the playoffs mandate set forth by ownership, a guy he knows and works with. Coming off a bad ownership relationship, why exactly does he jump into another one? :nb4anthonydavistho: if you have shitty FO, it doesn't matter.
That he would compete for a job that his mentor was going after.
Benson would have paid Thibs the $$$$ he deserves as a gm and top tier coach. Appears they are giving the Pels the Saints scraps; they have a terrible injury record and an assistant trainer is on record as saying they don't have the budget they need. I don't see him paying out $10M annually to Thibs; that's more than Payton makes and Payton's team adds money to his pockets, unlike the Pels.
Posted on 5/6/16 at 7:12 am to corndeaux
Makes you think, would we have been better off with Gary Chouest's group?
Posted on 5/6/16 at 11:59 am to corndeaux
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You keep saying this and it's just not true. Thibs was fired 3 days before they hired Gentry. The Bulls weren't letting him interview other teams while pretending they weren't going to fire him. And Reinsdorf is a prick- Pels reach out and he would bust their balls about it.
Could they have waited? Perhaps. Doesn't mean he actually comes to NO. That also assumes:
Thibs was ready to take on a job right away after a tumultous tenure in Chicago.
That he would come to NO. A place that had just fired, despite meeting the playoffs mandate set forth by ownership, a guy he knows and works with. Coming off a bad ownership relationship, why exactly does he jump into another one? :nb4anthonydavistho: if you have shitty FO, it doesn't matter.
That he would compete for a job that his mentor was going after.
Benson would have paid Thibs the $$$$ he deserves as a gm and top tier coach. Appears they are giving the Pels the Saints scraps; they have a terrible injury record and an assistant trainer is on record as saying they don't have the budget they need. I don't see him paying out $10M annually to Thibs; that's more than Payton makes and Payton's team adds money to his pockets, unlike the Pels.
I didn't say Thibs specifically, though when you have coaches actually lobbying to get interviewed and the consensus around the league that it was one of the best coaching opportunities to open up in some time, it's hard to imagine Thibs wouldn't of taken such an offer.
What I said was the Minnesota situation. A clean break and fresh start. A full organizational restructuring into a cohesive and unified unit. Thibs was one option, JVG certainly another. Another option would of been to go through a necessary but comprehensive search to find a new GM and let him hire his guy.
Instead we went half way. Stuck it out with a GM that ownership clearly wasn't 100% sold on then or now. Let him bring in his man, but now are in a position where any change that comes will likely be to the GM and put us in the opposite situation like the one Demps found himself in when hired. A GM tethered to a coach he didn't pick. Which just keeps our organization in this weird, disconnected, tension-filled situation that guys like Pop talk about as being one of the biggest things that wreck organizations.
You make it seem like we would of just done this with Thibs had it been an option. That ownership has proven itself to be wise and diligent in their thinking, but the whole reason you are playing around wth hypotheticals and assumptions when it comes to Thibs is because from the onset we chose not to make that full break.
This post was edited on 5/6/16 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 5/6/16 at 3:18 pm to NOLA Bronco
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You make it seem like we would of just done this with Thibs had it been an option. That ownership has proven itself to be wise and diligent in their thinking, but the whole reason you are playing around wth hypotheticals and assumptions when it comes to Thibs is because from the onset we chose not to make that full break.
???
The entire point of my post is that Thibodeau (or someone of that stature) is too good and too smart to come to a team as poorly run as the Pels. He needs autonomy, guys he trusts, and $$$. Pels brass is not willing to cede control at the moment, even though they are obviously clueless.
eyeran made the point a while back- Loomis has no reason, on his own, to bring in a guy who will be his equal on the Pels flowchart.
Another interesting point that I heard on the ringer NBA pod w/ Beck was that GM/FO talk to and hire guys they know (GS/Kerr, Marks/Atkinson, Jackson/Triangle Guys, Lakers/Walton, etc). Whom does Loomis know? Whom does Demps know?
ETA- And let's be clear- Minnesota's situation is nothing like the Pels last year. They have back to back #1 picks, a 3rd lottery pick with promise, with a young, decent roster around them. They also only won 29 games. Their previous coach, among the bottom in the league, was a last minute replacement when their actual coach (and GM) died right before the season. They had every reason in the world to bring in a new coach and GM.
The Pels won 45 games, had an MVP candidate, and made a nice playoff run down the stretch. Rumor had spread they would fire their coach unless they made the playoffs (whoops). Almost everyone of consequence on their roster, which is full of mid career guys, mostly coming off serious injuries, was coming back for at least one more year. Everything going into the summer pointed to keeping it as is, regardless of how dumb we thought Monty/Demps were.
This post was edited on 5/6/16 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 5/6/16 at 3:26 pm to Jester
:whispers: or if Benson lost his competency hearing
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