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Does Benson say "EF IT?"
Posted on 2/23/17 at 8:44 am
Posted on 2/23/17 at 8:44 am
Does Old Tommy B say EFF IT lets go deep into the Lux Tax to get the third guy this off season? I mean you cant take the money with you when you die?
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 8:51 am to 50_Tiger
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Does Gayle say EFF IT lets go deep into the Lux Tax to get the third guy this off season?
FIFY
Posted on 2/23/17 at 8:52 am to 50_Tiger
Jrue is the third guy!
Why do some of y'all not get that?
Why do some of y'all not get that?
Posted on 2/23/17 at 8:56 am to Colonel Flagg
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Jrue is the third guy!
Why do some of y'all not get that?
Meh I do get it, I'm just overly concerned about his health and the lack of games played in the past few years. Then there is also that elephant in the room that he regardless of the new situation will want out.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 9:02 am to 50_Tiger
Has Jrue said he wants out?
Has Jrue had issues this season with his health?
Have the Pels shown any indication that Jrue is not part of their Big Threesy plans?
Has Jrue had issues this season with his health?
Have the Pels shown any indication that Jrue is not part of their Big Threesy plans?
Posted on 2/23/17 at 9:06 am to Colonel Flagg
Dan Gilbert is losing money because of the taxes and that situation may not change until LeBron retires. I just can't see Benson being ok with building a team that will intentionally be in the tax enough to lose money for the long term. 3 years from now would they say trade Hill and picks for a $20+ million player and go slightly into the tax to become a contender for a few years? I can see that. But I can't see them say adding Gordon Hayward and resigning Holiday and being built like a high tax team for a long time.
People need to get used to the idea of AD/DC and Holiday as the Big Threasy.
People need to get used to the idea of AD/DC and Holiday as the Big Threasy.
This post was edited on 2/23/17 at 9:07 am
Posted on 2/23/17 at 9:08 am to TigerinATL
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adding Gordon Hayward
I'd be willing to lose Jrue for Hayward.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 9:15 am to TigerinATL
I need to do the math but the cap is roughly 103 mil next year from what ive read. The Pels are currently on the books for 86 million assuming Asik/Q-Pon/Cunn/Ajinca does not go anywhere.
Removing all 4 (at least im betting Dell is trying to do this now) will leave the Pels @ roughly 63.5 mil on the books in a perfect world.
That gives us 39.5 mil to play with before taxes become an issue. setting aside ~8 mil for the trash of the roster, that gives us ~31.5 million before hard cap.
I am also under the understanding that there are certain things in the new CBA that a team can do to flex their cap muscles.
Needless to say, do you think Jrue Holiday is worth fricking 22 mil a year like Boogie will get in 2018?
We can go 10 mil over the cap and fit two 20 mil players. It is all up to Grandpa B if he wants to do it. He still has the Saints racking up straight cash homie.
Removing all 4 (at least im betting Dell is trying to do this now) will leave the Pels @ roughly 63.5 mil on the books in a perfect world.
That gives us 39.5 mil to play with before taxes become an issue. setting aside ~8 mil for the trash of the roster, that gives us ~31.5 million before hard cap.
I am also under the understanding that there are certain things in the new CBA that a team can do to flex their cap muscles.
Needless to say, do you think Jrue Holiday is worth fricking 22 mil a year like Boogie will get in 2018?
We can go 10 mil over the cap and fit two 20 mil players. It is all up to Grandpa B if he wants to do it. He still has the Saints racking up straight cash homie.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 9:24 am to ShoeBang
The Pels have assembled 3 young All-Stars with future flexibility and assets still in place. They still have future draft picks and role players on team.
They have three solid role players intact in Moore, Hill, and Casspi.
Ages of Core Roster
Davis - 23
Cousins - 26
Holiday - 26
Hill - 25
Moore - 27
Casspi - 28
I feel bad for Pondexter and also wish his injury would not have ruined his career. He would be a great role player right now for this team.
If they try and make another move for someone else big. I think it probably won't be an incredibly better fit than Jrue(may not be better at all), and they will probably lose many other assets that would be used to fully develop the Pels as a contending franchise for the next 5-10 years.
They have three solid role players intact in Moore, Hill, and Casspi.
Ages of Core Roster
Davis - 23
Cousins - 26
Holiday - 26
Hill - 25
Moore - 27
Casspi - 28
I feel bad for Pondexter and also wish his injury would not have ruined his career. He would be a great role player right now for this team.
If they try and make another move for someone else big. I think it probably won't be an incredibly better fit than Jrue(may not be better at all), and they will probably lose many other assets that would be used to fully develop the Pels as a contending franchise for the next 5-10 years.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 9:40 am to 50_Tiger
Benson ain't losing money. That dude still acts like we're in the depression.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 9:42 am to TigerinATL
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People need to get used to the idea of AD/DC and Holiday as the Big Threasy.
Yeah, I don't get this. According to McNamara a big part of the reason we were in the market for an upgrade at C and got Cousins was to make the roster more attractive to keep Jrue. Since then the team has bent over backwards to sell Jrue in very statement labeling them the big 3. Jrue' play actually fits incredibly well with 2 high usage bigs and he can switch offball if played with another point.
I would imagine we make minor moves (move jones and maybe AA for guard depth) and then play out the season. In the offseason is when we can retool after we have some data on the roster. If everything looks good with big 3, they can stay above cap, sign Jrue and use the MLE to add a player. Then possibly use the 2018 pick to convert Asik into a more useful depth player or upgrade Moore/Hill.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 9:49 am to BigPerm30
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Benson ain't losing money. That dude still acts like we're in the depression.
This idea that Benson is a cheap owner is so off base and dated. He is always at the cap with both the Saints and Pels. With the lack of support for this team, Benson could make more money by keeping salary down Below the floor and taking on bad contracts. He doesn't. He spends to win and has been good about salary. If you want to complain about support staff, that is fair.
Very few owners have the I don't give a frick money to go deep into luxury tax because you are guaranteed to be losing money. That is multiplied in a small market.. Pohkorov did it one season and said no thank you. Portland is trying to shed some money even with Paul Allen. Gilbert is butting heads with Lebron about salary and losing money with a championship team. It just doesn't make sense to go deep into tax anymore. They made the tax onerous for a reason. It works. Teams can't stay in the tax and be profitable.
Benson may take one season slightly in the tax to get a ring, but we are not going to operate as a tax team regularly and we need to show we are a competitor first.
This post was edited on 2/23/17 at 9:51 am
Posted on 2/23/17 at 9:54 am to 50_Tiger
tax teams lose money period
unless you are a legit finals team it is unsustainable
not to mention the severe team building restrictions paying the tax brings
pels will never be a tax team and I doubt there will ever be multi year tax teams again after Lebron
unless you are a legit finals team it is unsustainable
not to mention the severe team building restrictions paying the tax brings
pels will never be a tax team and I doubt there will ever be multi year tax teams again after Lebron
Posted on 2/23/17 at 9:58 am to cgrand
also let not disregard AD's not getting the rose rule extension...sucks for AD but it could greatly help the team in filling out the roster assuming holiday is 20+ and cousins is 30+
Posted on 2/23/17 at 9:59 am to BigPerm30
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Benson ain't losing money. That dude still acts like we're in the depression.
Not when it comes to spending for his teams.
Saints are always near the top when it comes to spending, and he's put money, out of pocket, into both the arena and dome to help improve the fan experience.
I couldn't give 2 shits how he manages his money when it comes to his personal wealth.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 10:01 am to cgrand
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tax teams lose money period
unless you are a legit finals team it is unsustainable
not to mention the severe team building restrictions paying the tax brings
pels will never be a tax team and I doubt there will ever be multi year tax teams again after Lebron
Well that may be true if you look at it from a year to year profit level, but it likely helps the growth of the league.
You can lose money every few years if the value of your franchise is increasing at such a drastic rate
Benson is also able to share expenses with the Saints due to shared facilities
This post was edited on 2/23/17 at 10:03 am
Posted on 2/23/17 at 10:08 am to TigerBait1127
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You can lose money every few years if the value of your franchise is increasing at such a drastic rate
I wonder what the estimated value of the Pels is after the Cousins trade.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 10:13 am to NOFOX
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This idea that Benson is a cheap owner is so off base and dated. He is always at the cap with both the Saints and Pels. With the lack of support for this team, Benson could make more money by keeping salary down Below the floor and taking on bad contracts. He doesn't. He spends to win and has been good about salary. If you want to complain about support staff, that is fair.
In the uncapped NFL season (2010?), the Saints were the 3rd highest spending team, behind only the Cowboys and Redskins (who obviously have much larger markets/pockets than we do).
Posted on 2/23/17 at 10:14 am to THRILLHO
How much more valuable will this franchise be worth 1 year from now than 4 days ago?
Posted on 2/23/17 at 10:24 am to THRILLHO
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In the uncapped NFL season (2010?), the Saints were the 3rd highest spending team, behind only the Cowboys and Redskins (who obviously have much larger markets/pockets than we do).
We've routinely spent a higher % of the available cap than the Cowboys even when we sucked
It is a complaint that has no basis in reality
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