Defensive player of the year

Im ok Wemby making all def 2nd team. A DPOY candidate on the worst team in league is dumb.

It should be Herb or AD(although I hate him).

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That's dumb. Have you seen his defensive output/metrics?

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Its not. The defensive second team is not a conselation prize.

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So DPOY should include a judgment of teammate quality?

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Its about how much your defense makes your team better. The spurs defense this year was ranked 26th. Name me another candidate in history of NBA who’s a DPOY candidate with his teams defense that bad??

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22nd ranked. People were talking about it, when he's on the court, they would be the top ranked defense. When he's off the court, they have #32 (by far) drtg numbers. That tells you how bad most of the team is.

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My mistake. Still in bottom half of league. Im not saying hes not a good defensive player.

But its hard for me to make him a DPOY candidate over guys like Herb or AD. We can pull the on/off stats but even with that his teams defense is 22nd and the spurs have 22 wins. I just dont think he honestly should be a DPOY candidate.

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That's dumb. Have you seen his defensive output/metrics?

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Wemby was the best defensive player in the NBA this season.

Whoever was 2nd best isn't terribly close to Wemby.

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We can pull the on/off stats

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The Spurs defense with Wemby on the court was better than the Lakers defense with AD on the court

So your argument quite literally comes down to you thinking Wemby doesn't deserve it because his teammates were worse at defense when he didn't play compared to AD.

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But I believe to be a DPOY candidate your defense is so good overall your teams defense should be better than 22nd

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So your argument quite literally comes down to you thinking Wemby doesn't deserve it because his teammates were worse at defense when he didn't play compared to AD.

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Again you could argue all the on/off stats but overall his teams defense still was bad

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Do you think the Spurs team defense when Wemby was not on the court was more important to this conversation than when he was on the court, and same for AD?

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If we’re gonna do the on/off stuff we should do the same with Herb and AD. Because I would like to see those as well

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Herb - Pels only 0.5 points worse when Herb is off court

AD - Lakers defense is 1.8 points worse when AD is off court

Wemby - Spurs defense is 5.8 points worse when Wemby is off court

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guess the real question for me is if the spurs defense with Wemby was that good when he played why did it not equate to winning games?

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Their offense stunk

Their defense was bottom 3 level when Wemby was out

They were actively tanking for a good portion of the season


But fact is, Wemby on court has that miserable team just as good or better than the Pels and Lakers defenses, and the Pels didn't lose much with Herb on the bench, the Lakers lost some with no AD, and the Spurs lost the most with no Wemby.

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Imagine player A averaged 35 pts per game, his offensive metrics were off the chart, his on/off metrics showed how much better the team was when he played BUT they won 22 games and the team’s stats overall were below average. Do you think Player A deserves to be a MVP candidate?

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The question doesn't really work because there's no world where a player is clearly the best player in the NBA and his team only wins 22 games. But to answer, and focusing on the 1st part, if that player is clearly imo the best player in the NBA, and if his team was a top level team when he was on court, then yes he deserves to be an MVP candidate.

Wemby was the best defensive player in the league this season. Better stats than Gobert in almost category. He’s only going to get better. He’s like AD but on steroids, legit cheat code